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From Adrian Cole <adrianc...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Withdraw from the Apache Incubator
Date Fri, 14 Jun 2019 02:27:26 GMT
+1

On 2019/06/14 02:24:56, Adrian Cole <adriancole@apache.org> wrote: 
> The PPMC held a vote on our private list to withdraw from the Apache
> Incubator. We did this for reason of discretion, similar to how new
> PPMC members are voted in, and for lack of any formal process to
> conduct such a vote. John D. Ament asked us to vote again "to keep our
> own processes simple", so this vote is in accordance with that
> request.
> 
> 8 votes to leave carry over from the private list, including 7 of our
> 12 PPMC members [1]. There were no 0 or -1 votes cast.
> 
> IPMC +1 Sheng Wu
> PPMC +7 Adrian Cole, Bas van Beek, José Carlos Chávez, Kristof
> Adriaenssens, Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya, Brian Devins-Suresh, Lance
> Linder
> 
> Here's the private thread:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b47dc4cdce50ca5d4229d73d2ac745904e3a4b70bebfabe1cbf7c55a@%3Cprivate.zipkin.apache.org%3E
> 
> Below is the description of the vote, which we'll extend here for 72
> hours. Folks who have formerly voted can feel free to vote again.
> ----
> 
> It has been the experience from more than one of us that the Apache
> Incubator is more stressful and requires more effort than initially
> anticipated or is necessary. This vote recommends we leave the
> incubator back to the OpenZipkin org and carry on as we did.
> 
> Here is some background. I will not cite here. If you are a committer
> you can also express your point of view with or without citing. Your
> opinions matter and I hope you all vote.
> 
> Process and policy ambiguity has been ever present and cost us a lot
> of time and energy. The incubator spends more energy on failing us
> than helping us. Tooling gaps, whether related to process management,
> source verification or multiple repositories have impacted us as well.
> We have lost considerable velocity since attempting to join. Even if
> we graduate, there is no guarantee strictness felt so far won't carry
> over.
> 
> The burdens don't stop here, there is a lot of fear about our greater
> community, OpenZipkin and how to fireproof branding across what is
> Apache and what is not. This is not only a cultural miss for us, but
> yet more overhead and also tension. We still have to maintain the old
> namespace, and we also get tension from the incubator that the old
> namespace exists. Probably many projects can control their whole
> ecosystem but we cannot and as far as I know do not desire to either.
> We are all the same class.
> 
> Some large projects can afford incubator strictness and carry on
> despite these hurdles and lack of tools. Small or mono repo projects
> have far less work anyway. Those with larger projects usually have
> fulltime staff to address the gaps, write nice websites navigating
> process, make tools etc. It is costly and we are frankly by definition
> not rich.
> 
> Moreover, OpenZipkin is culturally against building things that
> require effort to get working. Our very first act as a part of a
> community was to remove the burden of forcing users to build from
> source. There is definitely conflict with us and a culture preoccupied
> with source ceremony and without interest to the impacts on volunteers
> or the quality if the experience. This mismatch has led to many
> problems that distract us from our purpose as a project in ways
> including time displacement and low morale. This is despite multiple
> escalations from our mentors.
> 
> For reasons of resources, poor experience and cultural
> incompatibility, I recommend we leave the incubator and re-unify as
> OpenZipkin again.
> 
> If you vote -1, it is to remain. Please mention concrete efforts you
> will take personally to address the problems, and which
> responsibilities you will take on, if you vote -1.
> 
> Voting ends 3 days from today, i.e. midnight UTC on 2019-06-17
> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?year=2019&month=
> 06&day=17
> 
> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/zipkin
> 
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