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From Kristof Adriaenssens <kristof.adriaenss...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Withdraw from the Apache Incubator
Date Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:05:52 GMT
+1

On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 08:42, Anuraag Agrawal <anuraaga@apache.org> wrote:

> +1
>
> On 2019/06/14 06:05:01, Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya <
> quilcate.jorge@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 07:29 Jorg Heymans, <jorg.heymans@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (non-binding)
> > >
> > > Op vr 14 jun. 2019 05:49 schreef Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > +1 in public vote.
> > > >
> > > > Sheng Wu
> > > > Apache Skywalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 在 2019年6月14日,上午10:24,Adrian Cole <adriancole@apache.org>
写道:
> > > > >
> > > > > The PPMC held a vote on our private list to withdraw from the
> Apache
> > > > > Incubator. We did this for reason of discretion, similar to how new
> > > > > PPMC members are voted in, and for lack of any formal process to
> > > > > conduct such a vote. John D. Ament asked us to vote again "to keep
> our
> > > > > own processes simple", so this vote is in accordance with that
> > > > > request.
> > > > >
> > > > > 8 votes to leave carry over from the private list, including 7 of
> our
> > > > > 12 PPMC members [1]. There were no 0 or -1 votes cast.
> > > > >
> > > > > IPMC +1 Sheng Wu
> > > > > PPMC +7 Adrian Cole, Bas van Beek, José Carlos Chávez, Kristof
> > > > > Adriaenssens, Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya, Brian Devins-Suresh,
> Lance
> > > > > Linder
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the private thread:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b47dc4cdce50ca5d4229d73d2ac745904e3a4b70bebfabe1cbf7c55a@%3Cprivate.zipkin.apache.org%3E
> > > > >
> > > > > Below is the description of the vote, which we'll extend here for
> 72
> > > > > hours. Folks who have formerly voted can feel free to vote again.
> > > > > ----
> > > > >
> > > > > It has been the experience from more than one of us that the Apache
> > > > > Incubator is more stressful and requires more effort than initially
> > > > > anticipated or is necessary. This vote recommends we leave the
> > > > > incubator back to the OpenZipkin org and carry on as we did.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is some background. I will not cite here. If you are a
> committer
> > > > > you can also express your point of view with or without citing.
> Your
> > > > > opinions matter and I hope you all vote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Process and policy ambiguity has been ever present and cost us a
> lot
> > > > > of time and energy. The incubator spends more energy on failing us
> > > > > than helping us. Tooling gaps, whether related to process
> management,
> > > > > source verification or multiple repositories have impacted us as
> well.
> > > > > We have lost considerable velocity since attempting to join. Even
> if
> > > > > we graduate, there is no guarantee strictness felt so far won't
> carry
> > > > > over.
> > > > >
> > > > > The burdens don't stop here, there is a lot of fear about our
> greater
> > > > > community, OpenZipkin and how to fireproof branding across what is
> > > > > Apache and what is not. This is not only a cultural miss for us,
> but
> > > > > yet more overhead and also tension. We still have to maintain the
> old
> > > > > namespace, and we also get tension from the incubator that the old
> > > > > namespace exists. Probably many projects can control their whole
> > > > > ecosystem but we cannot and as far as I know do not desire to
> either.
> > > > > We are all the same class.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some large projects can afford incubator strictness and carry on
> > > > > despite these hurdles and lack of tools. Small or mono repo
> projects
> > > > > have far less work anyway. Those with larger projects usually have
> > > > > fulltime staff to address the gaps, write nice websites navigating
> > > > > process, make tools etc. It is costly and we are frankly by
> definition
> > > > > not rich.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moreover, OpenZipkin is culturally against building things that
> > > > > require effort to get working. Our very first act as a part of a
> > > > > community was to remove the burden of forcing users to build from
> > > > > source. There is definitely conflict with us and a culture
> preoccupied
> > > > > with source ceremony and without interest to the impacts on
> volunteers
> > > > > or the quality if the experience. This mismatch has led to many
> > > > > problems that distract us from our purpose as a project in ways
> > > > > including time displacement and low morale. This is despite
> multiple
> > > > > escalations from our mentors.
> > > > >
> > > > > For reasons of resources, poor experience and cultural
> > > > > incompatibility, I recommend we leave the incubator and re-unify
as
> > > > > OpenZipkin again.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you vote -1, it is to remain. Please mention concrete efforts
> you
> > > > > will take personally to address the problems, and which
> > > > > responsibilities you will take on, if you vote -1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Voting ends 3 days from today, i.e. midnight UTC on 2019-06-17
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?year=2019&month=
> > > > > 06&day=17
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/zipkin
> > > > >
> > > > >
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