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From Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya <quilcate.jo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Withdraw from the Apache Incubator
Date Fri, 14 Jun 2019 06:05:01 GMT
+1

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 07:29 Jorg Heymans, <jorg.heymans@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Op vr 14 jun. 2019 05:49 schreef Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>
> > +1 in public vote.
> >
> > Sheng Wu
> > Apache Skywalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >
> >
> >
> > > 在 2019年6月14日,上午10:24,Adrian Cole <adriancole@apache.org>
写道:
> > >
> > > The PPMC held a vote on our private list to withdraw from the Apache
> > > Incubator. We did this for reason of discretion, similar to how new
> > > PPMC members are voted in, and for lack of any formal process to
> > > conduct such a vote. John D. Ament asked us to vote again "to keep our
> > > own processes simple", so this vote is in accordance with that
> > > request.
> > >
> > > 8 votes to leave carry over from the private list, including 7 of our
> > > 12 PPMC members [1]. There were no 0 or -1 votes cast.
> > >
> > > IPMC +1 Sheng Wu
> > > PPMC +7 Adrian Cole, Bas van Beek, José Carlos Chávez, Kristof
> > > Adriaenssens, Jorge Esteban Quilcate Otoya, Brian Devins-Suresh, Lance
> > > Linder
> > >
> > > Here's the private thread:
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b47dc4cdce50ca5d4229d73d2ac745904e3a4b70bebfabe1cbf7c55a@%3Cprivate.zipkin.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > Below is the description of the vote, which we'll extend here for 72
> > > hours. Folks who have formerly voted can feel free to vote again.
> > > ----
> > >
> > > It has been the experience from more than one of us that the Apache
> > > Incubator is more stressful and requires more effort than initially
> > > anticipated or is necessary. This vote recommends we leave the
> > > incubator back to the OpenZipkin org and carry on as we did.
> > >
> > > Here is some background. I will not cite here. If you are a committer
> > > you can also express your point of view with or without citing. Your
> > > opinions matter and I hope you all vote.
> > >
> > > Process and policy ambiguity has been ever present and cost us a lot
> > > of time and energy. The incubator spends more energy on failing us
> > > than helping us. Tooling gaps, whether related to process management,
> > > source verification or multiple repositories have impacted us as well.
> > > We have lost considerable velocity since attempting to join. Even if
> > > we graduate, there is no guarantee strictness felt so far won't carry
> > > over.
> > >
> > > The burdens don't stop here, there is a lot of fear about our greater
> > > community, OpenZipkin and how to fireproof branding across what is
> > > Apache and what is not. This is not only a cultural miss for us, but
> > > yet more overhead and also tension. We still have to maintain the old
> > > namespace, and we also get tension from the incubator that the old
> > > namespace exists. Probably many projects can control their whole
> > > ecosystem but we cannot and as far as I know do not desire to either.
> > > We are all the same class.
> > >
> > > Some large projects can afford incubator strictness and carry on
> > > despite these hurdles and lack of tools. Small or mono repo projects
> > > have far less work anyway. Those with larger projects usually have
> > > fulltime staff to address the gaps, write nice websites navigating
> > > process, make tools etc. It is costly and we are frankly by definition
> > > not rich.
> > >
> > > Moreover, OpenZipkin is culturally against building things that
> > > require effort to get working. Our very first act as a part of a
> > > community was to remove the burden of forcing users to build from
> > > source. There is definitely conflict with us and a culture preoccupied
> > > with source ceremony and without interest to the impacts on volunteers
> > > or the quality if the experience. This mismatch has led to many
> > > problems that distract us from our purpose as a project in ways
> > > including time displacement and low morale. This is despite multiple
> > > escalations from our mentors.
> > >
> > > For reasons of resources, poor experience and cultural
> > > incompatibility, I recommend we leave the incubator and re-unify as
> > > OpenZipkin again.
> > >
> > > If you vote -1, it is to remain. Please mention concrete efforts you
> > > will take personally to address the problems, and which
> > > responsibilities you will take on, if you vote -1.
> > >
> > > Voting ends 3 days from today, i.e. midnight UTC on 2019-06-17
> > >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?year=2019&month=
> > > 06&day=17
> > >
> > > [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/zipkin
> > >
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