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From Willem Jiang <>
Subject Re: calling our mentors and champion to action (brave-karaf release)
Date Mon, 11 Feb 2019 03:38:28 GMT
Hi Adrian,

If you want to CANCEL the vote, you can send a mail to close it and
start a new thread once you finish the second cut.
It's a normal practices for our first around release.

I think you did a great job on the release. I'm around if you want to
ask for help.

Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:02 AM Adrian Cole <> wrote:
> Hi, folks.
> We just tried to do a release of brave-karaf, but I think we realized
> that many of us have no experience or no recent experience in ASF
> releases. Some were giving +1s without doing any verification
> whatsoever, and others possibly asking for more than required to pass
> the release. First release was going to be bumpy, so no big deal.
> However, I think there's some more to it.
> I think some confusion was caused due to the various incubator mailing
> list discussions. Some are calling out projects for not doing things
> right, and some are not clarified on topics about source vs binary
> etc. The way I perceive these discussions are just that.. discussions.
> I don't think we have to hold ourselves to standards higher than
> graduated project (standard of practice). However, I think if this is
> a valid interpretation, a mentor should step up as sometimes the
> language in these discussions is distracting (ex blamey phrasing
> happened in those threads and is strong language for an evolving
> process especially around github).
> During our own release, we wandered, possibly into the correct
> corners, but some topics feel more like guessing what we should do
> than people knowing they need to. Lacking guidance, personally I
> looked at a couple projects, jclouds and dubbo, and arbitrarily chose
> the latter as the docs were polished.
> This doesn't mean they were right, but seems they are right enough.
> Maybe we can be right enough, too, as re-releasing and
> meta-discussions are taxing timewise and emotionally.
> The main thing here is I think we should have not started without a
> mentor present to help navigate these topics.
> The short of it is, that as a RM, I'd like to re-start the release
> vote to clean the slate. I think that involves a "CANCEL" process
> which I'll look up. However, I'd like a mentor to both be present for
> questions and also participate in verifying the release and voting.
> So, if someone can reply with their availability, I'm happy to
> continue this and learn how to make the next one smooth.
> Best,
> -A
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