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From Chris Bowditch <bowditch_ch...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: on changing fop documentation sources to markdown
Date Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:52:22 GMT
On 17/04/2012 14:59, Clay Leeds wrote:
> NOTE: Moving discussion to general@. Please make all further responses to general@.

Hi Clay,

Thanks for moving to general@
>
> BACKGROUND:
> We are discussing moving XML Graphics web site to ASF-CMS. You can see progress here:
>
> http://xmlgraphics.staging.apache.org/

I realize its work in progress but it appears like you used an old 
snapshot without the "TM" marks in the content or the new logo that you 
designed. Also the links need to include License, Sponsorship, Thanks 
and Security as per the branding guidelines. This content is now live on 
the main site, so I guess you just started with a snapshot from a few 
weeks ago?
>
> ToDo:
> - Lots.
> - Style&  templating work
> - Non-HTML content (figure out how to handle java-docs, download.cgi, demo stuff, etc.--might
not be too difficult, just a matter of committing to CMS content/ dirs?)
>
> Done:
> - most HTML content
Thanks,

Chris

> Clay
>
> "My religion is simple. My religion is kindness."
> - HH The Dalai Lama of Tibet
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:19 AM, Chris Bowditch<bowditch_chris@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/2012 19:52, The Web Maestro wrote:
>>> I just added most of the nav for FOP Development (0.95, 1.0, trunk/ and 'dev'):
>> Hi Clay,
>>> http://xmlgraphics.staging.apache.org/
>>>
>>> As mentioned, there are likely missing things (like java-docs, download.cgi,
Batik's DEMO, etc.)... It'd be great if folks could take a look... I haven't figured out how
to add other content, but It Might Just Work(tm) if weupload it there via SVN...
>> Many thanks for working on this.
>>
>>> Come to think of it, we should probably move this to general@xmlgraphics.apache.org<mailto:general@xmlgraphics.apache.org>.
Or is there a better mailing list? I'll refrain from sending to other lists, until we figure
out where it should go.
>>>
>>> Any ideas where this discussion should move, since it entails changes to all
XML Graphics Project web docs?
>> Yes this discussion should move to general@ as it will affect all sub projects of
XML Graphics.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Clay Leeds
>>> --
>>> <the.webmaestro@gmail.com<mailto:the.webmaestro@gmail.com>>  -<http://ourlil.com/>
>>> My religion is simple. My religion is kindness.
>>> - HH The 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 11:53 PM, The Web Maestro<the.webmaestro@gmail.com<mailto:the.webmaestro@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
>>>
>>>     I've updated the docs a bit, and gotten much (but not all!) of the
>>>     FOP, Batik&  Commons content into the CMS...
>>>
>>>     We're still missing an adequate navigation system, so I did a
>>>     preliminary job of getting a few links in the sidenav, but it's
>>>     incomplete and ugly as sin. We'll need to build a mechanism to
>>>     hide (collapse?) non-relevant links, but that shouldn't be too hard.
>>>
>>>     We also need to figure out java-docs, download.cgi, and perhaps
>>>     some other issues...
>>>
>>>     Without further ado:
>>>
>>>     http://xmlgraphics.staging.apache.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>     Kind regards,
>>>
>>>     Clay Leeds
>>>     --
>>>     <the.webmaestro@gmail.com<mailto:the.webmaestro@gmail.com>> 
-
>>>     <http://ourlil.com/>
>>>     My religion is simple. My religion is kindness.
>>>     - HH The 14th Dalai Lama of Tibet
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Clay Leeds
>>>     <the.webmaestro@gmail.com<mailto:the.webmaestro@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
>>>
>>>         On Apr 12, 2012, at 6:41 AM, Glenn Adams<glenn@skynav.com
>>>         <mailto:glenn@skynav.com>>  wrote:
>>>         >  Agreed that removing forrest dependency is desirable.
>>>         However, presumably the current xdocs would need to be
>>>         converted to MD, in which case someone will need to construct
>>>         an XSLT to do so. That begs the question of whether it would
>>>         be necessary (at this time) to convert the source format to
>>>         MD, or if an additional step in the CMS based process could
>>>         merely perform that step automatically. If so, then it should
>>>         not be necessary to change the authoring format at this time.
>>>         It could be done as a separate step later.
>>>
>>>         I am using Forrest 0.8 w markdown plugin. Conversion could be
>>>         scripted, but that would negate the benefit of the CMS.
>>>
>>>         >  What I don't know yet is what we will lose from the
>>>         conversion to MD in terms of ability to markup our source
>>>         docs. Clearly, MD is not as semantically or syntactically rich
>>>         as an XML based source. But do we lose anything of
>>>         consequence? I don't know yet.
>>>         >
>>>         >  One thing we may lose if we don't convert to MD is the
>>>         ability to use CMS in-page editing. So that is a
>>>         consideration. Perhaps that option is sufficient to justify
>>>         other potential negatives in converting.
>>>         >
>>>         >  G.
>>>
>>>         One of my goals, was to see some discussion in the DEVers,
>>>         before I complete the task of converting the docs. The
>>>         MarkDown format is not nearly as semantic as xdoc, but it
>>>         serves a different purpose.
>>>
>>>         It'll take some time, and I'm still prepared to take it on.
>>>         But I was hoping for some discussion ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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