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From Glen Mazza <gma...@apache.org>
Subject removing votes from committers
Date Mon, 15 May 2006 15:08:23 GMT

I was reviewing your statements[1] about how decisions are made on 
Apache projects, namely that on XML Graphics, committers do *not* have a 
vote and it is not the committers who nominate contributors for 

However, what you are telling us appears to contradict rules 8.2 and 8.4 
of our project charter[2], which we voted for and the Apache Board 
already approved.  The charter rules state that the committers vote on 
code changes and on nominations for other committers.  So your 
clarifications made to Thomas appear incorrect, as he was actually 
acting within the boundaries of the XML Graphics charter in holding a 
committer vote for his subproject.

If it is indeed the case the XML Graphics project must follow the 
charter of the Apache HTTPD one (in which committer voting is forbidden) 
why did the board have us create our own charter, with our own unique 
rules?  Further, if the Apache boards finds committer voting to be so 
reprehensible, why did they approve our charter then, which explicitly 
calls for that?

I think Leo Simons should explain personally why he finds committer 
voting to be so reprehensible that we now need to discard the XML 
Graphics charter rules on this issue.  Also, the Apache Board will need 
to be sufficiently mortified by committer voting that it will declare 
the XML Graphics charter to be null and void.  Failing that, according 
to the charter, you will need to run a vote among the PMC members (of 
which I am not one, nor plan to join for this vote) to remove votes from 
committers.  Until then, the charter has to remain in force, with 
committers continuing to vote on subproject-related matters.

Whatever anyone's personal concerns with committer voting, I'm sure you 
agree with me that just disregarding/ignoring the charter would create a 
much worse problem for us down the road.


[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-dev&m=114709325926065&w=2
[2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-dev&m=110802440807292&w=2

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