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From Jeremias Maerki <...@jeremias-maerki.ch>
Subject Re: removing votes from committers
Date Mon, 15 May 2006 17:59:44 GMT
At the very least, retaining the project mission will certainly be
worthwhile as it gives the project the necessary focus.

On 15.05.2006 18:56:01 Glen Mazza wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> 
> >Only problem: ASF policy overrules any charter we give ourselves. It was
> >even repeatedly said on member lists that project charters are
> >unnecessary which I agree today since the general policy document has
> >improved a lot since last year.
> >  
> >
> OK then--providing the Apache Board has a generic (hopefully 
> lawyer-generated also) charter good for all the projects, I think we 
> should officially nullify our own project charter--get rid of it.  For 
> legal reasons, it doesn't help to have two charters that conflict with 
> each other.  The PMC members can vote to void it.
> 
> >> Further, if the Apache boards finds committer voting to be so 
> >>reprehensible, why did they approve our charter then, which explicitly 
> >>calls for that?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >You need to keep in mind that a lot of policy stuff has been clarified
> >in the last 12 months. 
> >
> Sure, that's normal, that happens.
> 
> >> Also, the Apache Board will need 
> >>to be sufficiently mortified by committer voting that it will declare 
> >>the XML Graphics charter to be null and void.  Failing that, according 
> >>to the charter, you will need to run a vote among the PMC members (of 
> >>which I am not one, nor plan to join for this vote) to remove votes from 
> >>committers.  Until then, the charter has to remain in force, with 
> >>committers continuing to vote on subproject-related matters.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >As I said above, ASF policy comes first. The charter was built on some
> >assumptions which turned out to be wrong after the clarifications. What
> >we obviously need to do (and which I failed to recognize) is to amend
> >our charter so it is in line with ASF policy.
> >  
> >
> I don't think amending it is the best option--because what happens if 
> they fall out of sync again?  Best to void the document entirely, but if 
> we have to retain it, then to explicitly state the "any ASF policy 
> overriding this charter takes precedence" and to *remove* any provision 
> (such as the roles of PMC members and committers) that the ASF already 
> has predefined.  Just updating the charter provisions to bring them in 
> line with current ASF policy still leaves vague which has precedence.


Jeremias Maerki


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