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From Ted Leung <twle...@sauria.com>
Subject Re: Committers
Date Thu, 05 Aug 2004 04:49:40 GMT
+1

On Aug 4, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:

> Interesting discussion.  Here's my idea for a hybrid:
>
> 1. announce on the -dev list that some currently active committer
> has nominated some contributor(s).
>
> 2. start a thread on -pmc list to encourage pmc members to discuss
> any private concerns (in parallel with any ensuing discussion on
> the -dev list, which all PMC members should be paying attention to).
>
> 3. vote on pmc list and give the results to the -dev list.
>
> This would allow both PMC members/committers and contributors to
> know what's going on and voice their opinions, but allow private
> discussion among PMC members if that is necessary.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cliff
>
>
> Christopher Eliot wrote on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:12 AM:
>
>> No, I didn't think you were suggesting anything. I was just agreeing
>> that
>> your concern is valid. I think we agree entirely about this issue,
>> agreed?
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
>>
>>> oh sorry, I certainly wasn't meaning that you were offending
>>> anyone... is that what you thought I meant?  oops.   I was simply
>>> aggreeing with the initial post pointing out that saying "a
>>> committer is doing well but needs a little more time to mature" in a
>>> public forum may offend someone, or at least be harder to say.
>>>
>>> for now I'll crawl back into my corner (o:
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> dim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:35 PM
>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>
>>> My academic curiosity should not result in offending people.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
>>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I see it, its not about unwanted discussion, rather about the
>>>> ability to talk freely without fear of offending a potential
>>>> committer.  For my (worthless) 2c, I wouldn't have any objection to
>>>> the committers discussing this privately.
>>>>
>>>> Of course 99% of the time its not an issue.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> dim
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:34 AM
>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>>
>>>> The discussion is interesting to this lurker and the delete button
>>>> is easy to hit.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
>>>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 7:32 PM, David Remy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i see your point.  in incubation we had the committer discussion
>>>>> and vote on the dev list but we don't have to stay that way.  it
>>>>> does seem like committership is a decision made primarily by the
>>>>> committers themselves (and project management committee makes sense
>>>>> too) and discussions about this may not be particularly interesting
>>>>> or appropriate to others on the dev list.  given that i would lean
>>>>> toward the dicussion and vote being done in the pmc ...  others
>>>>> want to weigh in on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:53 PM
>>>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (this is a little off topic and is general in nature rather than
>>>>>> specific. i'm haven't followed the schema stuff closely - so i
>>>>>> can't say anything about radu - but i'm surprised that kevin
>>>>>> isn't already a committer which seems to be a good test :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's interesting how different communities handle election of
>>>>>> committers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> over in jakartaland, we've always held elections for committers in
>>>>>> the open (elections for the pmc have always been private). AIUI
>>>>>> httpd (on the other hand) conducts discussions about the merits of
>>>>>> committers on the private pmc list. i've heard it said that one of
>>>>>> the reasons why jakarta is said to have a lower bar to
>>>>>> committership than httpd is a result of this practice. i'm not
>>>>>> sure how true this is but i can say that whilst i've never heard
>>>>>> it said that "a committer is doing well but needs a little more
>>>>>> time to mature" in a jakarta committer election, i have heard it
>>>>>> said in the private pmc elections. it would certainly be more
>>>>>> difficult to express this diplomatically on an open list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Aug 2004, at 20:38, David Remy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been doing a number of commits for two developers over
>>>>>>> the last year or so that I think should become committers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Radu Preotiuc-Pietro has been working primarily in the XML Schema
>>>>>>> Compilation area and has contributed numerous patches as well
as
>>>>>>> responses on the XMLBeans user and dev lists.  I would say, with
>>>>>>> the exception of David Bau, Radu is probably the most
>>>>>>> knowledgeable person in regards to XMLBeans Schema Compilation.
>>>>>>> Currently Radu is working on incremental schema compilation as
>>>>>>> well as fixing XML Schema Feature bugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Krouse has been working on XMLBeans V1 stability since
>>>>>>> XMLBeans inception both doing testing and development.  He
>>>>>>> conceived the XMLBeans branching strategy and has submitted
>>>>>>> numerous patches over the last year or so.  He did the
>>>>>>> finalization work for the V1 JDK
>>>>>>> 1.3 port.  Also, Kevin has made many posts on the XMLBeans User
>>>>>>> and Dev lists.  Kevin
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> currently working on a complete review of XMLBeans error messages
>>>>>>> including adding Error Codes the refer directly to the XML
>>>>>>> Schema specification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are interested you can find Radu and Kevin's submitted
>>>>>>> patches in the XMLBeans CVS list by looking for contributed by:
>>>>>>> in the commit comments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there are no major objections I will submit a vote on this
in
>>>>>>> a few days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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