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From Christopher Eliot <el...@cs.umass.edu>
Subject Re: Committers
Date Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:03:44 GMT
That sounds fine. I recognize that there is sometimes a need to discuss  
delicate
issues in private. On the other hand, it is nice to be able to see how  
decisions
get made, as much as possible.



On Aug 4, 2004, at 2:42 PM, kkress@lkwd.com wrote:

> I like the compromise: two channels of communication -- dev
> and PMC.
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> "Cliff Schmidt" <cliff@bea.com>
> 08/04/2004 02:20 PM
> Please respond to xmlbeans-dev
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>         To:     <xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org>
>         cc:
>         Subject:        RE: Committers
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> Interesting discussion.  Here's my idea for a hybrid:
>
> 1. announce on the -dev list that some currently active committer
> has nominated some contributor(s).
>
> 2. start a thread on -pmc list to encourage pmc members to discuss
> any private concerns (in parallel with any ensuing discussion on
> the -dev list, which all PMC members should be paying attention to).
>
> 3. vote on pmc list and give the results to the -dev list.
>
> This would allow both PMC members/committers and contributors to
> know what's going on and voice their opinions, but allow private
> discussion among PMC members if that is necessary.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cliff
>
>
> Christopher Eliot wrote on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:12 AM:
>
>> No, I didn't think you were suggesting anything. I was just agreeing
>> that
>> your concern is valid. I think we agree entirely about this issue,
>> agreed?
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
>>
>>> oh sorry, I certainly wasn't meaning that you were offending
>>> anyone... is that what you thought I meant?  oops.   I was simply
>>> aggreeing with the initial post pointing out that saying "a
>>> committer is doing well but needs a little more time to mature" in a
>>> public forum may offend someone, or at least be harder to say.
>>>
>>> for now I'll crawl back into my corner (o:
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> dim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:35 PM
>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>
>>> My academic curiosity should not result in offending people.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
>>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I see it, its not about unwanted discussion, rather about the
>>>> ability to talk freely without fear of offending a potential
>>>> committer.  For my (worthless) 2c, I wouldn't have any objection to
>>>> the committers discussing this privately.
>>>>
>>>> Of course 99% of the time its not an issue.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> dim
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:34 AM
>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>>
>>>> The discussion is interesting to this lurker and the delete button
>>>> is easy to hit.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
>>>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 7:32 PM, David Remy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i see your point.  in incubation we had the committer discussion
>>>>> and vote on the dev list but we don't have to stay that way.  it
>>>>> does seem like committership is a decision made primarily by the
>>>>> committers themselves (and project management committee makes sense
>>>>> too) and discussions about this may not be particularly interesting
>>>>> or appropriate to others on the dev list.  given that i would lean
>>>>> toward the dicussion and vote being done in the pmc ...  others
>>>>> want to weigh in on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:53 PM
>>>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (this is a little off topic and is general in nature rather than
>>>>>> specific. i'm haven't followed the schema stuff closely - so i
>>>>>> can't say anything about radu - but i'm surprised that kevin
>>>>>> isn't already a committer which seems to be a good test :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's interesting how different communities handle election of
>>>>>> committers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> over in jakartaland, we've always held elections for committers in
>>>>>> the open (elections for the pmc have always been private). AIUI
>>>>>> httpd (on the other hand) conducts discussions about the merits of
>>>>>> committers on the private pmc list. i've heard it said that one of
>>>>>> the reasons why jakarta is said to have a lower bar to
>>>>>> committership than httpd is a result of this practice. i'm not
>>>>>> sure how true this is but i can say that whilst i've never heard
>>>>>> it said that "a committer is doing well but needs a little more
>>>>>> time to mature" in a jakarta committer election, i have heard it
>>>>>> said in the private pmc elections. it would certainly be more
>>>>>> difficult to express this diplomatically on an open list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Aug 2004, at 20:38, David Remy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been doing a number of commits for two developers over
>>>>>>> the last year or so that I think should become committers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Radu Preotiuc-Pietro has been working primarily in the XML Schema
>>>>>>> Compilation area and has contributed numerous patches as well
as
>>>>>>> responses on the XMLBeans user and dev lists.  I would say, with
>>>>>>> the exception of David Bau, Radu is probably the most
>>>>>>> knowledgeable person in regards to XMLBeans Schema Compilation.
>>>>>>> Currently Radu is working on incremental schema compilation as
>>>>>>> well as fixing XML Schema Feature bugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Krouse has been working on XMLBeans V1 stability since
>>>>>>> XMLBeans inception both doing testing and development.  He
>>>>>>> conceived the XMLBeans branching strategy and has submitted
>>>>>>> numerous patches over the last year or so.  He did the
>>>>>>> finalization work for the V1 JDK
>>>>>>> 1.3 port.  Also, Kevin has made many posts on the XMLBeans User
>>>>>>> and Dev lists.  Kevin
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> currently working on a complete review of XMLBeans error messages
>>>>>>> including adding Error Codes the refer directly to the XML
>>>>>>> Schema specification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are interested you can find Radu and Kevin's submitted
>>>>>>> patches in the XMLBeans CVS list by looking for contributed by:
>>>>>>> in the commit comments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there are no major objections I will submit a vote on this
in
>>>>>>> a few days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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