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From "David Remy" <dr...@bea.com>
Subject RE: Committers
Date Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:44:06 GMT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:20 AM
> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Committers
> 
> Interesting discussion.  Here's my idea for a hybrid:
> 
> 1. announce on the -dev list that some currently active committer
> has nominated some contributor(s).
> 
> 2. start a thread on -pmc list to encourage pmc members to discuss
> any private concerns (in parallel with any ensuing discussion on
> the -dev list, which all PMC members should be paying attention to).
> 
> 3. vote on pmc list and give the results to the -dev list.

+1.  This sounds like an excellent approach from my perspective.  If
everyone agrees I will pull out Cliff's committer process and post on
the xmlbeans wiki.  I'll also send out appropriate posts on -dev and pmc
lists.


> 
> This would allow both PMC members/committers and contributors to
> know what's going on and voice their opinions, but allow private
> discussion among PMC members if that is necessary.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Cliff
> 
> 
> Christopher Eliot wrote on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:12 AM:
> 
> > No, I didn't think you were suggesting anything. I was just agreeing
> > that
> > your concern is valid. I think we agree entirely about this issue,
> > agreed?
> >
> > -c
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2004, at 12:25 AM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
> >
> >> oh sorry, I certainly wasn't meaning that you were offending
> >> anyone... is that what you thought I meant?  oops.   I was simply
> >> aggreeing with the initial post pointing out that saying "a
> >> committer is doing well but needs a little more time to mature" in
a
> >> public forum may offend someone, or at least be harder to say.
> >>
> >> for now I'll crawl back into my corner (o:
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> dim
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:35 PM
> >> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Committers
> >>
> >> My academic curiosity should not result in offending people.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Prof. Christopher Eliot
> >> Department of Computer Science
> >> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
> >> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
> >>
> >> On Aug 3, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
> >>
> >>> As I see it, its not about unwanted discussion, rather about the
> >>> ability to talk freely without fear of offending a potential
> >>> committer.  For my (worthless) 2c, I wouldn't have any objection
to
> >>> the committers discussing this privately.
> >>>
> >>> Of course 99% of the time its not an issue.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>> dim
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:34 AM
> >>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: Committers
> >>>
> >>> The discussion is interesting to this lurker and the delete button
> >>> is easy to hit.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
> >>> Department of Computer Science
> >>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
> >>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 7:32 PM, David Remy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> i see your point.  in incubation we had the committer discussion
> >>>> and vote on the dev list but we don't have to stay that way.  it
> >>>> does seem like committership is a decision made primarily by the
> >>>> committers themselves (and project management committee makes
sense
> >>>> too) and discussions about this may not be particularly
interesting
> >>>> or appropriate to others on the dev list.  given that i would
lean
> >>>> toward the dicussion and vote being done in the pmc ...  others
> >>>> want to weigh in on this?
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:53 PM
> >>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (this is a little off topic and is general in nature rather than
> >>>>> specific. i'm haven't followed the schema stuff closely - so i
> >>>>> can't say anything about radu - but i'm surprised that kevin
> >>>>> isn't already a committer which seems to be a good test :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's interesting how different communities handle election of
> >>>>> committers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> over in jakartaland, we've always held elections for committers
in
> >>>>> the open (elections for the pmc have always been private). AIUI
> >>>>> httpd (on the other hand) conducts discussions about the merits
of
> >>>>> committers on the private pmc list. i've heard it said that one
of
> >>>>> the reasons why jakarta is said to have a lower bar to
> >>>>> committership than httpd is a result of this practice. i'm not
> >>>>> sure how true this is but i can say that whilst i've never heard
> >>>>> it said that "a committer is doing well but needs a little more
> >>>>> time to mature" in a jakarta committer election, i have heard it
> >>>>> said in the private pmc elections. it would certainly be more
> >>>>> difficult to express this diplomatically on an open list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3 Aug 2004, at 20:38, David Remy wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have been doing a number of commits for two developers over
> >>>>>> the last year or so that I think should become committers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Radu Preotiuc-Pietro has been working primarily in the XML
Schema
> >>>>>> Compilation area and has contributed numerous patches as well
as
> >>>>>> responses on the XMLBeans user and dev lists.  I would say,
with
> >>>>>> the exception of David Bau, Radu is probably the most
> >>>>>> knowledgeable person in regards to XMLBeans Schema Compilation.
> >>>>>> Currently Radu is working on incremental schema compilation
as
> >>>>>> well as fixing XML Schema Feature bugs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kevin Krouse has been working on XMLBeans V1 stability since
> >>>>>> XMLBeans inception both doing testing and development.  He
> >>>>>> conceived the XMLBeans branching strategy and has submitted
> >>>>>> numerous patches over the last year or so.  He did the
> >>>>>> finalization work for the V1 JDK
> >>>>>> 1.3 port.  Also, Kevin has made many posts on the XMLBeans User
> >>>>>> and Dev lists.  Kevin
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> currently working on a complete review of XMLBeans error
messages
> >>>>>> including adding Error Codes the refer directly to the XML
> >>>>>> Schema specification.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are interested you can find Radu and Kevin's submitted
> >>>>>> patches in the XMLBeans CVS list by looking for contributed
by:
> >>>>>> in the commit comments.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there are no major objections I will submit a vote on this
in
> >>>>>> a few days.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> rem
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -
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