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From Dutta Satadip <s-du...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject RE: Committers
Date Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:48:09 GMT
+1
Dutta:)

--- Cliff Schmidt <cliff@bea.com> wrote:

> Interesting discussion.  Here's my idea for a
> hybrid:
> 
> 1. announce on the -dev list that some currently
> active committer 
> has nominated some contributor(s).
> 
> 2. start a thread on -pmc list to encourage pmc
> members to discuss 
> any private concerns (in parallel with any ensuing
> discussion on 
> the -dev list, which all PMC members should be
> paying attention to).  
> 
> 3. vote on pmc list and give the results to the -dev
> list.
> 
> This would allow both PMC members/committers and
> contributors to 
> know what's going on and voice their opinions, but
> allow private 
> discussion among PMC members if that is necessary.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Cliff
> 
> 
> Christopher Eliot wrote on Wednesday, August 04,
> 2004 5:12 AM:
> 
> > No, I didn't think you were suggesting anything. I
> was just agreeing
> > that
> > your concern is valid. I think we agree entirely
> about this issue,
> > agreed?
> > 
> > -c
> > 
> > On Aug 4, 2004, at 12:25 AM,
> Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
> > 
> >> oh sorry, I certainly wasn't meaning that you
> were offending
> >> anyone... is that what you thought I meant? 
> oops.   I was simply
> >> aggreeing with the initial post pointing out that
> saying "a
> >> committer is doing well but needs a little more
> time to mature" in a
> >> public forum may offend someone, or at least be
> harder to say.
> >> 
> >> for now I'll crawl back into my corner (o:
> >> 
> >> cheers
> >> dim
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu
> [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 1:35 PM
> >> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Committers
> >> 
> >> My academic curiosity should not result in
> offending people.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Prof. Christopher Eliot
> >> Department of Computer Science
> >> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
> >> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
> >> 
> >> On Aug 3, 2004, at 10:20 PM,
> Dmitri.Colebatch@toyota.com.au wrote:
> >> 
> >>> As I see it, its not about unwanted discussion,
> rather about the
> >>> ability to talk freely without fear of offending
> a potential
> >>> committer.  For my (worthless) 2c, I wouldn't
> have any objection to
> >>> the committers discussing this privately. 
> >>> 
> >>> Of course 99% of the time its not an issue.
> >>> 
> >>> cheers
> >>> dim
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: eliot@cs.umass.edu
> [mailto:eliot@cs.umass.edu]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:34 AM
> >>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: Committers
> >>> 
> >>> The discussion is interesting to this lurker and
> the delete button
> >>> is easy to hit. 
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Prof. Christopher Eliot
> >>> Department of Computer Science
> >>> Seeley-Mudd #502 (413)542-8484
> >>> Amerst College eliot@cs.umass.edu
> >>> 
> >>> On Aug 3, 2004, at 7:32 PM, David Remy wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> i see your point.  in incubation we had the
> committer discussion
> >>>> and vote on the dev list but we don't have to
> stay that way.  it
> >>>> does seem like committership is a decision made
> primarily by the
> >>>> committers themselves (and project management
> committee makes sense
> >>>> too) and discussions about this may not be
> particularly interesting
> >>>> or appropriate to others on the dev list. 
> given that i would lean
> >>>> toward the dicussion and vote being done in the
> pmc ...  others
> >>>> want to weigh in on this? 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: robert burrell donkin
> [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:53 PM
> >>>>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Committers
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> (this is a little off topic and is general in
> nature rather than
> >>>>> specific. i'm haven't followed the schema
> stuff closely - so i
> >>>>> can't say anything about radu - but i'm
> surprised that kevin
> >>>>> isn't already a committer which seems to be a
> good test :)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> it's interesting how different communities
> handle election of
> >>>>> committers. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> over in jakartaland, we've always held
> elections for committers in
> >>>>> the open (elections for the pmc have always
> been private). AIUI
> >>>>> httpd (on the other hand) conducts discussions
> about the merits of
> >>>>> committers on the private pmc list. i've heard
> it said that one of
> >>>>> the reasons why jakarta is said to have a
> lower bar to
> >>>>> committership than httpd is a result of this
> practice. i'm not
> >>>>> sure how true this is but i can say that
> whilst i've never heard
> >>>>> it said that "a committer is doing well but
> needs a little more
> >>>>> time to mature" in a jakarta committer
> election, i have heard it
> >>>>> said in the private pmc elections. it would
> certainly be more
> >>>>> difficult to express this diplomatically on an
> open list.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> - robert
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On 3 Aug 2004, at 20:38, David Remy wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> I have been doing a number of commits for two
> developers over
> >>>>>> the last year or so that I think should
> become committers.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Radu Preotiuc-Pietro has been working
> primarily in the XML Schema
> >>>>>> Compilation area and has contributed numerous
> patches as well as
> >>>>>> responses on the XMLBeans user and dev lists.
>  I would say, with
> >>>>>> the exception of David Bau, Radu is probably
> the most
> >>>>>> knowledgeable person in regards to XMLBeans
> Schema Compilation. 
> >>>>>> Currently Radu is working on incremental
> schema compilation as
> >>>>>> well as fixing XML Schema Feature bugs. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Kevin Krouse has been working on XMLBeans V1
> stability since
> >>>>>> XMLBeans inception both doing testing and
> development.  He
> >>>>>> conceived the XMLBeans branching strategy and
> has submitted
> >>>>>> numerous patches over the last year or so. 
> He did the
> >>>>>> finalization work for the V1 JDK 
> 
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