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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:07 -0400
From: Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com>
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To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
Cc: dims@apache.org, Cliff Schmidt <cliff@bea.com>
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Finally!!!!! Looks like we can use
http://www.amberarcher.org/projects/panno/ for supporting annotations
in JDK1.4

-- dims

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:03:34 -0700, Patrick Calahan <pcal@bea.com> wrote:
> Yes, it is certainly doable with JAM under JDK 1.5.  Under JDK 1.4, it
> is not currently possible because JAM relies on the 1.5 version of
> javadoc to parse source files.
> 
> It would be possible to implement a java source parser that would run
> under 1.4 but would understand 175.  I did a little bit of work in that
> direction in JAM but never got a chance to finish it, as it's not really
> an important use case for xbeans.
> 
> -p
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:davanum@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:52 PM
> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> Cc: dims@apache.org; Cliff Schmidt
> Subject: Re: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
> 
> Patrick,
> 
> Here's the use case....currently in Axis you can drop in a file with
> extension .jws (which can by any java class) and we compile the class
> and make it into a web service. We want to support 175 annotations in
> these jws files....Is this doable with JAM?
> 
> thanks,
> dims
> 
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:16:03 -0700, Patrick Calahan <pcal@bea.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Right, I'm pretty familiar with 181 already.  As Dave Remy mentioned,
> > 181 is based on 175 annotations, which will not even compile under
> 1.4.
> > So, I'm not sure I understand how you are planning on providing any
> 181
> > support under pre-1.5 JDKs.
> >
> > The only thing I could imagine would be to define a set of javadoc
> tags
> > that map to 181's 175 annotations.  This is a problem JAM was designed
> > to solve for xbeans.   However, in the case of 181, I would have to
> > wonder if it's really worth the trouble.
> >
> > -p
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:davanum@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:45 PM
> > To: Patrick Calahan
> > Cc: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org; dims@apache.org; Cliff Schmidt
> > Subject: Re: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > I have added a blog entry with my question/situation
> > (http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/). Basically We need an attributes
> > package for implementing JSR 181: Web Services Metadata. The caveat
> > being we need at least some of the functionality of JSR 181 available
> > on JDK 1.3/1.4 as well. That rules out APT which is only with JDK 1.5.
> > "spin up a new project" with duplicate functionality is not new...we
> > have commons-httpclient and commons-collections to do stuff already in
> > JDK. So dont worry about that.
> >
> > Can you please help us by reviewing JSR 181
> > (http://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/edr/jsr181/index.html) and
> > help us decide if JAM will work for us?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:27:18 -0700, Patrick Calahan <pcal@bea.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi.  Sorry for the delayed response.  So, I think moving JAM to
> > Jakarta
> > > would be fine with everyone, but what we are trying to sort out is
> how
> > > JAM relates to the APT tool which Sun recently announced for JDK
> 1.5:
> > >
> > >   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/apt/index.html
> > >
> > > Have you guys had a chance to look at it?  Do you think it could
> meet
> > > your needs instead?  It seems to have at least some overlap with
> JAM,
> > > and we just want to make sure that we don't want to go off and spin
> up
> > a
> > > new project that doesn't provide any value-add over something that
> is
> > > already going to be in the JDK.
> > >
> > > Having read over that document, I do have a few as-yet unanswered
> > > questions about it:
> > >
> > > - Does it support both class and source files?
> > >
> > > - Do you have to let them drive?  AFAICT, you have to invoke the APT
> > > command line tool; there doesn't seem to be an invocation API.
> > >
> > > - Can it be used for general-purpose reflection?  The docs say that
> it
> > > can, but it's not clear to me how you do this, given that the
> > callbacks
> > > are keyed on annotations.  For example, I don't see how you would do
> > > reflection on a class that has no annotations at all.
> > >
> > > This may be just my failure to understand the tool correctly,
> though.
> > > I'm curious to know if you have more insight.
> > >
> > > -p
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:davanum@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:10 AM
> > > To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
> > > Cc: Cliff Schmidt
> > > Subject: Re: JAM - JSR 175 under jakarta commons?
> > >
> > > Usually silence means assent...looks like everyone agrees to move
> JAM
> > > to Jakarta commons :) :)
> > >
> > > -- dims
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:58:40 -0400, Davanum Srinivas
> > <davanum@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Patrick, Team,
> > > >
> > > > Looks like the JAM API still inside xmlbeans...Is there a plan to
> > move
> > > > it to say jakarta commons? we'd like to use JAM to help us with
> our
> > > > JSR 181 Implementation.
> > > > (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=108573692307144&w=2).
> > > > Specifically to be able to support JDK 1.4/(1.3?) and not just
> tiger
> > > > (1.5).
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > dims
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> > >
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