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From Michael Glavassevich <mrgla...@ca.ibm.com>
Subject Re: [POLL]: Dropping JDK 1.3 support for Xerces-J?
Date Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:33:23 GMT

Hi Jake,

"Jacob Kjome" <hoju@visi.com> wrote on 07/08/2010 12:58:49 PM:

> I have a library I develop (XMLC [1]) that depends on JDK1.3 and also
> on Xerces.  That said, part of the reason of depending on JDK1.3 is
> to stay in
> line with the Xerces dependency on JDK1.3.  The other reason is
thatJDK1.3 is
> free and clear of any built-in XML APIs, which allows me to include
> the JAXP library of my choice (xml-apis.jar) without worry of
> binding to odd invalid APIs included in 1.4 (such as some stuff meant for
> HTML2 API that got placed in the HTML1 API DOM package namespace).  But
> Xerces decides to move to a later version of Java, then I will probably
> XMLC right along with it.
> That said, I would think that if Xerces were going to bother making a
move at
> all it would move to JDK1.5 rather than bother with 1.4.  Xerces 2.10 is
> always there for 1.3 and 1.4 codebases, which should all be well into
> maintenance mode meaning few, if any, library changes.

It's often not a choice but a constraint of the environment the developer
is working in, having to write a new application on top of a product stack
which is stuck on one of these earlier JDK releases. JDK 1.4 isn't dead
yet; still in service for some vendors, including Oracle/Sun if you're a
business willing to pay for the support. Not aware of any vendors
supporting JDK 1.3 anymore though.

> Moving to 1.5 would
> allow Xerces to take advantage of all the new language constructs added
> 1.5, as well as APIs added in 1.5 (e.g., StringBuilder -vs-

Right. We all talked about the benefits of moving up even higher to Java 5
and 6 before, but have been quite conservative about upgrading because of
where we are in the food chain.

> So, +1 for changing JDK dependency in general, but I would prefer a move
> straight to JDK1.5+ skipping JDK1.4 support.  This also seems to be
> what a lot
> of Apache commons libraries are doing, so it's certainly not
> [1] http://forge.ow2.org/projects/xmlc/
> Jake
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 11:36:07 -0400
>   Michael Glavassevich <mrglavas@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > (including general@xml.apache.org on the cc list to hopefully reach a
> > audience)
> >
> > We're talking again on the Xerces j-dev mailing list about dropping
> > for JDK 1.3. The reason being that current builds of the XPath 2.0
> > processor (Eclipse PsychoPath) used by the XML Schema 1.1
> > require JDK 1.4. While we do have a one-off PsychoPath jar that was
> > with JDK 1.3 some time ago, in order to pick up recent bug fixes in
> > library we need to refresh it with the JDK 1.4 version. This would only
> > impact the XML Schema 1.1 enabled release for now but at some point in
> > future when XML Schema 1.1 becomes stable (both spec and impl) this
> > get merged into the main line.
> >
> > Given the age of JDK 1.3 and that it's generally out of service my
> > intuition is that this upgrade would probably be okay but wanted to
> > with users on their needs. Is there anyone out there still using
> > with JDK 1.3? If you are, how long into the future will you continue to
> > so, and would you be willing to migrate to JDK 1.4 (or higher) to be
> > to use XML Schema 1.1?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Michael Glavassevich
> > XML Parser Development
> > IBM Toronto Lab
> > E-mail: mrglavas@ca.ibm.com
> > E-mail: mrglavas@apache.org
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Michael Glavassevich
XML Parser Development
IBM Toronto Lab
E-mail: mrglavas@ca.ibm.com
E-mail: mrglavas@apache.org
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