From general-return-7313-apmail-xml-general-archive=xml.apache.org@xml.apache.org Mon Jul 12 19:42:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-xml-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 39988 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 19:42:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 19:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 12181 invoked by uid 500); 12 Jul 2004 19:42:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-xml-general-archive@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 12120 invoked by uid 500); 12 Jul 2004 19:42:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: general@xml.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 12074 invoked by uid 99); 12 Jul 2004 19:42:19 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [195.188.213.4] (HELO smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.213.4) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:42:16 -0700 Received: from [10.0.0.2] ([82.38.65.173]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:42:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <40F1C23F.7060408@tpg.com.au> References: <20040711011616.6137.KITAHATA@terra-intl.com> <40F1C23F.7060408@tpg.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <91AE9432-D43B-11D8-89FC-003065DC754C@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: robert burrell donkin Subject: Re: http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:42:11 +0100 To: general@xml.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 19:42:31.0100 (UTC) FILETIME=[5ED26FC0:01C46848] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N (for those aren't familiar with tetsuya, he runs http://www.apachenews.org/ and a japenese translation of the main jakarta site. he also acted as editor of the jakarta/apache newsletter for a while. he has karma for the jakarta site and the webservices site.) maintaining the mirrors document is actually very important since the ASF has to pay for bandwidth. so, infrequent maintenance of this document could be seem as a (possible) symptom of a larger malaise. if the xml federation is to succeed as a central source of information, it's important that this information is kept fresh. i (do a lot of the maintenance of the website over in jakartaland and) have raised some similar concerns before. however, berin has said that his plan is to address these issues once the transition from project to federation has been completed. this sounds like a good plan to me, so my suggestion is everyone keep's their powder dry till then. - robert On 11 Jul 2004, at 23:42, Peter B. West wrote: > Tetsuya, > > I share a number of your concerns about the fragmentation that is > being introduced by the move to TLPs. I'm not sure what you are > suggesting we do about it, apart from your specific concern about the > updating of http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi. > > Peter > > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >> Glenn Mazza Wrote: >>> Either it's rarely updated (obviously), or only >>> updated by teams that remember it. Usually, one goes >>> to the precise web page (Xerces, Xalan, FOP, etc.) for >>> the SW wanted and follows the instructions from >>> there. >> Au >>> FOP, at least, doesn't appear to be getting many >>> complaints about this. >> "Chicken and Egg" relation. >>>> I mean, how can we get *new* binaries and sources >>>> of xml.apache.org products? Due to the lack of the >>>> comprehension of the updates @ mirrors.html? >>> Many/Most of XML Apache's projects are becoming TLP's >>> on their own. We're perhaps not as closely tied >>> together as the Jakarta teams. Best to just go to the >>> web page of the specific product you wish to download. >> Woooo ... and how do would you think to update >> http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi >> after most of the projects (subs) move up into TLPs? >> Who would be responsible for it to update mirrors.cgi? >> Who would be responsible for the announcement of "APACHE XML RELATED >> -- federated -- projects" ? >> # for reference: now announcements@xml.apache has 2000 subscribers >> Why federated? common -- infrastructure -- for xml team?? >> Why do not you want to put the good conditions for the >> * ex-xml.apache.org -ed * projects? >> #Of course I will, if i have a sufficient karma to do >> -- >> Perhaps this can be discussed at the "proposal of ferderative >> networks" >> in xml.apache.org land, also. > > -- > Peter B. West > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@xml.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@xml.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@xml.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@xml.apache.org