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From robert burrell donkin <robertburrelldon...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject Re: http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi
Date Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:42:11 GMT
(for those aren't familiar with tetsuya, he runs 
http://www.apachenews.org/ and a japenese translation of the main 
jakarta site. he also acted as editor of the jakarta/apache newsletter 
for a while. he has karma for the jakarta site and the webservices 

maintaining the mirrors document is actually very important since the 
ASF has to pay for bandwidth. so, infrequent maintenance of this 
document could be seem as a (possible) symptom of a larger malaise. if 
the xml federation is to succeed as a central source of information, 
it's important that this information is kept fresh.

i (do a lot of the maintenance of the website over in jakartaland and) 
have raised some similar concerns before. however, berin has said that 
his plan is to address these issues once the transition from project to 
federation has been completed. this sounds like a good plan to me, so 
my suggestion is everyone keep's their powder dry till then.

- robert

On 11 Jul 2004, at 23:42, Peter B. West wrote:

> Tetsuya,
> I share a number of your concerns about the fragmentation that is 
> being introduced by the move to TLPs.  I'm not sure what you are 
> suggesting we do about it, apart from your specific concern about the 
> updating of http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi.
> Peter
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>> Glenn Mazza Wrote:
>>> Either it's rarely updated (obviously), or only
>>> updated by teams that remember it.  Usually, one goes
>>> to the precise web page (Xerces, Xalan, FOP, etc.) for
>>> the SW  wanted and follows the instructions from
>>> there.
>> Au
>>> FOP, at least, doesn't appear to be getting many
>>> complaints about this.
>> "Chicken and Egg" relation.
>>>> I mean, how can we get *new* binaries and sources
>>>> of xml.apache.org products? Due to the lack of the
>>>> comprehension of the updates @ mirrors.html?
>>> Many/Most of XML Apache's projects are becoming TLP's
>>> on their own.  We're perhaps not as closely tied
>>> together as the Jakarta teams.  Best to just go to the
>>> web page of the specific product you wish to download.
>> Woooo ... and how do would you think to update
>> http://xml.apache.org/mirrors.cgi
>> after most of the projects (subs) move up into TLPs?
>> Who would be responsible for it to update mirrors.cgi?
>> Who would be responsible for the announcement of "APACHE XML RELATED 
>> -- federated -- projects" ?
>> # for reference: now announcements@xml.apache has 2000 subscribers
>> Why federated? common -- infrastructure -- for xml team??
>> Why do not you want to put the good conditions for the
>> * ex-xml.apache.org -ed * projects?
>> #Of course I will, if i have a sufficient karma to do
>> --
>> Perhaps this can be discussed at the "proposal of ferderative 
>> networks"
>> in xml.apache.org land, also.
> -- 
> Peter B. West <http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/resume.html>
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