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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cliff Schmidt <cliffs@apache.org>
To: blautenb@apache.org, general@xml.apache.org
cc: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org, twleung@sauria.com, stevenn@outerthought.org
Subject: XMLBeans and the XML Federation
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Berin (and everyone else at XML with an opinion),

Based on the post below, I think it's time to discuss the best 
post-incubation path for XMLBeans.  It appears that both the XMLBeans and 
Incubator communities may be ready to vote for XMLBeans to graduate from 
Incubation.  So my first question is:
Do you (and the rest of the XML PMC) agree we should go ahead with this 
now?

The other issue is where XMLBeans lives after incubation.  It seems that
becoming a TLP associated with the XML Federation would be consistent with
the direction of other sizeable XML projects.  I understand the 
rationale behind having a PMC composed of people with enough oversight 
of the project's code base to be able to protect the interests of the 
ASF.
Do you agree this makes sense for the ASF?

Finally, if XMLBeans is to become a TLP, what do you think about the 
difference between graduating directly into a TLP vs. into an XML 
subproject and then asking the Board for a resolution forming a new TLP? 
I've actually already used your Xerces Board resolution as a template for 
XMLBeans.  So I could propose a vote to go directly to a TLP today, if 
that seemed like the right thing to do.  See 
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org&msgNo=10.

Shall we use this resolution (after filling in names of PMC members) to go 
right to a vote to leave Incubation and propose a new TLP to the board, or 
shall we just move into the XML project and deal with the TLP issue later?

Thanks,
Cliff


From: Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com>
Subject: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 
Release)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:14:51 -0400
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Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM:
> > Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping
> > support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready
> > to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay?

> I think XMLBeans is ready to leave the Incubator.

> > How do others in the community feel?

> They seem to agree (mostly non-BEA folks, many non-committers, plus
> our mentor and sponsor)

> Should I call a vote of the XMLBeans PPMC for graduation on the
> incubator list as Geronimo did last month?

Seems so, Cliff.  Check (and update) your STATUS.  Where is XMLBeans 
going?
How does XMLBeans entry into the XML project fit with the XML Federation
strategy?  I haven't answers, just asking that you line up your exit. 
Berin
Lautenbach would probably have some thoughts.  If you're exiting into XML,
you won't need anything from the Board.  We'll just need to get the
Incubator and XML PMCs to do their thing.

 	--- Noel

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