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From "Cliff Schmidt" <cl...@bea.com>
Subject RE: XMLBeans and the XML Federation
Date Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:32:03 GMT
Thanks, Berin & Ted.  

Based on:
 1. this thread 

 2. Noel's response on the incubator general list:

 3. the xmlbeans community's opinion about being ready to 
leave the incubator: 

 4. and the (somewhat quiet) agreement that becoming a TLP 
was the right move for XMLBeans:

I think it's time to propose a vote of the XMLBeans PPMC to 
graduate from incubation and become a TLP.  Following the
lead of Geronimo, I assume this vote should be conducted on
the incubator general list.  I'll send that off now. I'd 
wait for Steven's opinion, but I'm pretty sure he would 
agree, based on his previous posts.


Ted Leung wrote on Friday, June 18, 2004 4:49 PM:

> Comments in line...
> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:07 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote:
>> Cliff,
>> Speaking as a member of the XML PMC, I'm happy with whatever way fits
>> best for the XMLBeans community (I see this as fundamentally a
>> community question). 
>> To put in perspective, I'm now seeing the XML Federation as :
>> 1.  a way to share and co-operate between related projects;
>> 2.  a place to hold the small pieces of glue that hold together the
>> other XML related projects (e.g. XML-Commons); and
>> 3.  a place to build up smaller projects until they are comfortable
>> becoming fully fledged projects.
> Given the current direction of the foundation, there really isn't much
> justification for 3. in this list.  If the board had its way, there
> would be no subprojects whatsoever.
>> So if you feel like you fit into 3 I'd support bringing you in under
>> XML until you are ready to move out.  Given the XML PMC has voted to
>> do that in the past, I'd be surprised if there were any significant
>> difference in opinion on that amongst the XML PMC.  But it would
>> *not* be a permanent thing. 
>> However, if as a community you would prefer to be "masters of your
>> own destiny" right from the start, then go to TLP!  I'm also happy
>> to help out making that happen. 
>> Speaking as a member of the Incubator PMC, I'd want to have a level
>> of comfort that the community has the "critical mass" necessary to
>> go to TLP and that the sponsors felt that this made sense.  I think
>> that's true, but I think it needs to be validated for form's sake.
>> I'd be interested in input from Steven and Ted - particularly on the
>> last point.
> I think that the right decision here is to go TLP.  Otherwise, it will
> just have to be done at some later point.  If the community is strong
> enough to graduate from the incubator, it should be strong enough to
> go to TLP.  Association with the Federation is fine, but I think that
> we should probably not be adding XML subprojects at this point.
> Ted
>> Cheers,
>> 	Berin
>> Cliff Schmidt wrote:
>>> Berin (and everyone else at XML with an opinion),
>>> Based on the post below, I think it's time to discuss the best
>>> post-incubation path for XMLBeans.  It appears that both the
>>> XMLBeans and Incubator communities may be ready to vote for
>>> XMLBeans to graduate from Incubation.  So my first question is:
>>> Do you (and the rest of the XML PMC) agree we should go ahead with
>>> this now? The other issue is where XMLBeans lives after incubation.
>>> It seems that becoming a TLP associated with the XML Federation
>>> would be consistent with the direction of other sizeable XML
>>> projects.  I understand the rationale behind having a PMC composed
>>> of people with enough oversight of the project's code base to be
>>> able to protect the interests of the ASF. Do you agree this makes
>>> sense for the ASF? 
>>> Finally, if XMLBeans is to become a TLP, what do you think about the
>>> difference between graduating directly into a TLP vs. into an XML
>>> subproject and then asking the Board for a resolution forming a new
>>> TLP? I've actually already used your Xerces Board resolution as a
>>> template for XMLBeans.  So I could propose a vote to go directly to
>>> a TLP today, if that seemed like the right thing to do.  See
>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=xmlbeans-
>>> dev@xml.apache.org&msgNo=10. Shall we use this resolution (after
>>> filling in names of PMC members) to go right to a vote to leave
>>> Incubation and propose a new TLP to the board, or shall we just move
>>> into the XML project and deal with the TLP issue later?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Cliff
>>> From: Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com>
>>> Subject: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2
>>> Release) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:14:51 -0400
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>     charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> Cliff Schmidt wrote:
>>>> Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM:
>>>>> Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping
>>>>> support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is
>>>>> ready to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further
>>>>> stay? 
>>>> I think XMLBeans is ready to leave the Incubator.
>>>>> How do others in the community feel?
>>>> They seem to agree (mostly non-BEA folks, many non-committers,
>>>> plus our mentor and sponsor) Should I call a vote of the XMLBeans
>>>> PPMC for graduation on the incubator list as Geronimo did last
>>>> month? 
>>> Seems so, Cliff.  Check (and update) your STATUS.  Where is
>>> XMLBeans going? How does XMLBeans entry into the XML project fit
>>> with the XML Federation strategy?  I haven't answers, just asking
>>> that you line up your exit. Berin Lautenbach would probably have
>>> some thoughts.  If you're exiting into XML, you won't need anything
>>> from the Board.  We'll just need to get the Incubator and XML PMCs
>>> to do their thing. 
>>>     --- Noel
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