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From Berin Lautenbach <be...@wingsofhermes.org>
Subject Re: XMLBeans and the XML Federation
Date Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:07:32 GMT

Speaking as a member of the XML PMC, I'm happy with whatever way fits 
best for the XMLBeans community (I see this as fundamentally a community 

To put in perspective, I'm now seeing the XML Federation as :

1.  a way to share and co-operate between related projects;
2.  a place to hold the small pieces of glue that hold together the 
other XML related projects (e.g. XML-Commons); and
3.  a place to build up smaller projects until they are comfortable 
becoming fully fledged projects.

So if you feel like you fit into 3 I'd support bringing you in under XML 
until you are ready to move out.  Given the XML PMC has voted to do that 
in the past, I'd be surprised if there were any significant difference 
in opinion on that amongst the XML PMC.  But it would *not* be a 
permanent thing.

However, if as a community you would prefer to be "masters of your own 
destiny" right from the start, then go to TLP!  I'm also happy to help 
out making that happen.

Speaking as a member of the Incubator PMC, I'd want to have a level of 
comfort that the community has the "critical mass" necessary to go to 
TLP and that the sponsors felt that this made sense.  I think that's 
true, but I think it needs to be validated for form's sake.

I'd be interested in input from Steven and Ted - particularly on the 
last point.


Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> Berin (and everyone else at XML with an opinion),
> Based on the post below, I think it's time to discuss the best 
> post-incubation path for XMLBeans.  It appears that both the XMLBeans 
> and Incubator communities may be ready to vote for XMLBeans to graduate 
> from Incubation.  So my first question is:
> Do you (and the rest of the XML PMC) agree we should go ahead with this 
> now?
> The other issue is where XMLBeans lives after incubation.  It seems that
> becoming a TLP associated with the XML Federation would be consistent with
> the direction of other sizeable XML projects.  I understand the 
> rationale behind having a PMC composed of people with enough oversight 
> of the project's code base to be able to protect the interests of the ASF.
> Do you agree this makes sense for the ASF?
> Finally, if XMLBeans is to become a TLP, what do you think about the 
> difference between graduating directly into a TLP vs. into an XML 
> subproject and then asking the Board for a resolution forming a new TLP? 
> I've actually already used your Xerces Board resolution as a template 
> for XMLBeans.  So I could propose a vote to go directly to a TLP today, 
> if that seemed like the right thing to do.  See 
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org&msgNo=10.

> Shall we use this resolution (after filling in names of PMC members) to 
> go right to a vote to leave Incubation and propose a new TLP to the 
> board, or shall we just move into the XML project and deal with the TLP 
> issue later?
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> From: Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com>
> Subject: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:14:51 -0400
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> Cliff Schmidt wrote:
>> Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:46 PM:
>> > Understanding that "BEA has absolutely no intention of dropping
>> > support of the XMLBeans project", do you feel that XMLBeans is ready
>> > to leave the Incubator, or would it benefit from further stay?
>> I think XMLBeans is ready to leave the Incubator.
>> > How do others in the community feel?
>> They seem to agree (mostly non-BEA folks, many non-committers, plus
>> our mentor and sponsor)
>> Should I call a vote of the XMLBeans PPMC for graduation on the
>> incubator list as Geronimo did last month?
> Seems so, Cliff.  Check (and update) your STATUS.  Where is XMLBeans going?
> How does XMLBeans entry into the XML project fit with the XML Federation
> strategy?  I haven't answers, just asking that you line up your exit. Berin
> Lautenbach would probably have some thoughts.  If you're exiting into XML,
> you won't need anything from the Board.  We'll just need to get the
> Incubator and XML PMCs to do their thing.
>     --- Noel
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