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From Simon Pepping <spepp...@leverkruid.nl>
Subject Re: XML Graphics: draft charter, draft resolution update, items to discuss
Date Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:20:58 GMT
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 11:18:10PM +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 28 Jun 2004, at 21:10, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> 
> >Simon Pepping wrote on Monday, June 28, 2004 1:01 PM:
> >
> >>On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:03:38PM +1000, Peter B. West wrote:
> >>>FOP has recently voted in new committers who may have contributed too
> >>>little yet (in the view of some) to already become committers. This
> >>>was primarily due the fact that a lot of old FOP comitters became
> >>>inactive during the last two years and some of the FOP committers
> >>>wanted to help "reignite" the project. Although Batik seems to have
> >>>similar problems, they haven't taken similar steps. If this is a
> >>>problem for the Batik people, especially since the common components
> >>>will be accessible to FOP as well as Batik committers, we'd like the
> >>>Batik people to speak up.
> >>
> >>I do not think that was the (only) reason to vote in certain
> >>committers despite the fact that they had not contributed much
> >>code. There is a gap between contributors and committers. There is no
> >>recognized role for possible team members who contribute in other ways
> >>than writing code, although we all know that such contributions are
> >>important for projects with an established user base. I think there is
> >>no such role in all of Apache; if there were, the role could be added
> >>to the charter.
> >
> >I completely agree that people who aren't necessarily writing code
> >make important contributions to a project, but why wouldn't they
> >just be made committers at the appropriate time, in the same way the
> >process works for people writing code.  The role of being a committer
> >shouldn't be limited to code decisions IMO.  And people who contribute
> >through docs, project management, release management, and other ways
> >actually often need the same karma that code-writing folks do.
> 
> cliff's comments pretty well tally with my experience over in 
> jakartaland. documentation is just as much source as the bits with 
> brackets around and good documentation writers are harder to attract 
> than good coders.

FOP's repository mainly contains program code, and at the time of the
discussion it was felt by some that committers are by nature
coders. The remark which lead to my reaction, is the result of that
discussion. You have a point indeed, documentation and web site stuff
may be in the repository as well, and require committer status and
karma.
 
> there are lots of people who contribute in many ways. people who answer 
> questions on user lists are very important (to the health of a 
> community) as are those on the development list who contribute to 
> discussions but these don't have (or need) an official ASF status. but 
> google knows and remembers :)

A status is nice to have.

Regards, Simon

-- 
Simon Pepping
home page: http://www.leverkruid.nl


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