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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:49:07 +0200
From: Jeremias Maerki <dev.jeremias@greenmail.ch>
To: batik-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Batik and FOP - how to proceed
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Hi Vincent

On 13.05.2004 10:14:11 Vincent Hardy wrote:
> Hi Jeremias,
> 
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> 
> >Hi everyone
> >
> >I'd like to make another attempt to push the XML Graphics idea a bit.
> >We're at a stage where we'd have to gather the candidates for the new
> >PMC. That's where it gets complicated. Obviously, Batik is practically
> >in a stand-still. Both Vincent and Thomas are practically unavailable
> >right now. How do we handle the Batik side for new PMC? Any idea, Thomas,
> >when and if you can get back to the project? I know Vincent will try to
> >help out on the transition of Batik into the XML Graphics umbrella, but
> >it feels like a dump right now. 
> >
> Sorry to see you interpret things this way. I'll do my best to help out. 
> I have spent enough of my life on Batik that I would not just dump it 
> :-), but there are only so many hours in a day.

I know how you feel. I'm in a similar position. I'm simply trying to
deal with the facts as they present themselves.

> I hope someone else can 
> step up and represent Batik on the XML Graphics PMC.
> 
> >The FOP team will most likely not be
> >able to maintain the project.
> >  
> >
> Yes, I agree we need someone who is more dedicated to Batik.
> 
> >I'd personally have as many people on the new PMC as possible even if it
> >means having more FOP people on it than Batik people. But having only
> >two (or less) on the PMC from the Batik side seems not to be a good
> >thing.
> >  
> >
> Do people on the PMC need to be commiters? If so, then the options for 
> Batik are going to be pretty limited.

No, I don't think so, but Batik needs active committers to stay alive.

> >Any ideas how to proceed? Opinions? I'm out of ideas right now. After
> >all, we have to finish reorganizing the XML project sooner or later,
> >right?
> >  
> >
> What do you think needs to happen for the formation of the new PMC 
> (apart from finding volunteers)?

The board resolution is pretty much finished, we just need to fill in
names. When the resolution is approved by us and passes in the board
meeting, we need to write a charter. We could already start with the
charter now. That's pretty much it.

> What will people need to do: set up a 
> new project repositiory? 

No. We will still use the XML project's infrastructure. If the XML
Graphics PMC is realized we might one day create an additional
repository for joint operations.

> set-up/moderate mailing lists?

Nothing changes. We might choose to create an additional mailing list
for common discussions (much like general@xml.apache.org).

> And what do you 
> expect the changes to be for FOP and Batik, for commiters, developers 
> and users? For example, will there be web site changes, release changes 
> etc..?

No changes for developers and users. Only minor changes for committers:
Releases need to be approved by the PMC. Website remain where they are.

You see. There are no big changes. The board simply wants the XML
project to reestablish proper oversight over the projects. That's why we
need to break down the XML project into smaller parts. The XML project
transforms into a federation of XML-related projects at the ASF,
basically a link collection, but also providing the old infrastructure
so we don't disrupt our "customer's" view of our projects. If a project
desires to become a full top-level project, that will be no problem, but
that's not the issue here.

-- 
Jeremias Maerki <dev.jeremias@greenmail.ch>


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