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From Matt Sergeant <m...@sergeant.org>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Re: XML PMC and Oversight]
Date Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:06:31 GMT
On 3 Dec 2003, at 10:23, Berin Lautenbach wrote:

> Well, a bit of time has gone by.  I thought I'd raise this again and 
> see where we were.
> Would be interested in people's thoughts on the idea below.  If we 
> were to go down this path, we would need to put a transition plan in 
> place to make it all work.
> Would also be interested in whether people have been following the 
> idea of PPMCs in the Incubator.  In essence, each sub-project has it's 
> own PMC (the PPMC) which is made up of the key players in the 
> sub-project. Also in the PPMC are all the members of the PMC.  The 
> latter are there purely to provide oversite - i.e. ensure that 
> decisions are being made appropriately and in the Apache style.
> Might be adaptable to the XML project.
> Thoughts?  Ideally we want to get something agreed for the December 
> board meeting.  I'm not convinced we will manage that, but we should 
> have some kind of progress report.

I worry a little that we're changing things that won't help anything. 
If there's lack of oversight right now, changing the group structure 
won't help attain more oversight. These are small projects here in XML 
land, and people only have a finite amount of time to devote to them. 
Making projects like AxKit the equivalent of a TLP within a cluster of 
other TLPs won't change the way AxKit is run.

More tuits after you pluck them from the trees might :-)

Maybe a "Simon Says" system could help. If we want to do a release we 
have to ask, like asking for a new committer. It sounds kind of anal, 
but then so are the ASF legal requirements (for a reason - I don't mean 
"anal" in an insulting way).

I do admit to not feeling very close to the problems occurring here, so 
take what I say with a big pinch of salt.


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