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From Glen Mazza <grm7...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [Fwd: Closure of XMLBeans vote]
Date Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:14:50 GMT
Berin,

Sorry, I didn't know that committers--instead of only
the PMC--are able to vote on accepting XMLBeans.  (I
have not subscribed to xml-apache-general until
today!)  Let's extend voting a week or two longer, to
get votes from at least 30 or so committers.

Offhand, I had some concerns about this technology
which I gave to my FOP team: 
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fop-dev&m=105784381703729&w=2.
 Hence, my vote is -1. 

I'm somewhat troubled by the voting options (listed
below):  There should be an -1 option to refuse
XMLBeans into XML-Apache, period, without further
comment; similar to what already exists for +1.  The
requirement to "address reservations [in order to make
XMLBeans acceptable for inclusion into XML-Apache]" in
order to vote a -1 is odd. One should not need to to
write a white paper on how to redeem XMLBeans in order
to (paradoxically) reject them!

[  ]  I agree with and support this proposal (+1)
[  ]  Indifference (-1 < x < +1)
[  ]  I object and suggest a way to address my
reservations (-1)

-1 should be changed to: I reject adding the XMLBeans
project to XML-Apache.  

This will give a voice to those committers who
perceive that XML-Apache picking up XMLBeans would be
like General Motors deciding to resume the Edsel after
Ford determined it to be a failure.  For those who
feel XMLBeans to be dead weight, a distraction that
XML-Apache doesn't need.  

But to satisfy the current requirement for voting -1, 
here is one way to address my concerns:  Can we get
Craig McClanahan's opinion of this technology--he 
basically leads Jakarta Tomcat and Struts and is quite
"high up" at Sun.  He has zero affiliation, AFAIK,
with BEA.  I have great respect for his integrity and
opinion--and if he endorses this technology, that's
good enough for me!  OTOH, if he feels XMLBeans to be
"not the best", not something worth investing our time
on, I would continue to recommend XML-Apache passing
on this technology (i.e., -1).

Thanks,
Glen Mazza
FOP Team


--- "Peter B. West" <pbwest@powerup.com.au> wrote:
> Just a reminder that all fop committers are entitled
> to vote on this.
> Peter
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Closure of XMLBeans vote
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:50:30 +1000
> From: Berin Lautenbach <berin@ozemail.com.au>
> Reply-To: pmc@xml.apache.org
> To: XML PMC <pmc@xml.apache.org>, Apache XML General
> 
> <general@xml.apache.org>
> 
> Peoples,
> 
> A fairly large number of people have voted on this,
> but there are still
> a number who haven't.
> 
> I propose that we close voting on Friday (18/7) this
> week.  I will tally
> votes (a formality at this stage) and post the
> results during the weekend.
> 
> Assuming the voting situation remains as is (and it
> would need a _lot_
> of -1s to overcome the current vote), we can then
> formally request the
> incubator take on XMLBeans on behalf of the XML
> project.
> 
> Let me know if there are any problems with this
> approach.
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Berin
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter B. West 
> http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/resume.html
> 
> 



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