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From "Ted Leung" <twle...@sauria.com>
Subject Re: Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]
Date Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:35:46 GMT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <berin@ozemail.com.au>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for
XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]


>
> > Just a process question though:  So this vote is to accept XMLBeans into
> > incubation, as well as to set out the set of conditions that must be met
> > during incubation in order for the subproject to become a full-fledged
> > member of the xml.apache.org project, right?  Assuming the code is
> > accepted, when the time comes when the members of the XMLBeans community
> > decide that they believe they have met the conditions we set out here,
will
> > there be another vote held to formally bring the subproject into
> > xml.apache.org, or will someone (you as the PMC chair perhaps) simply
> > decide whether or not the conditions have indeed been met?
>
> My feeling (comfirmed I think by Nicola's e-mail)
> is that the PMC will need to be comfortable as a
> whole that the requirements have been met.

The PMC as a whole must agree that the requirements have been met.  I am
there on behalf of the foundation and the PMC to help the project meet the
exit criteria -- if they want to exit before I feel they are ready, I will
say so, but ultimately the PMC must agree that the criteria have been met.

> Mind you - If we have indicated we are are
> interested in taking the project "under our
> wing", so to speak, then we should, as a group,
> be monitoring the status of the incubation.  When
> it comes to exit I would hope that it would
> almost be a no-brainer.  If there are any issues,
> they would have been raised during incubation.
>
> My feeling is that Ted, given he has volunteered
> to shepherd the project, would take on the role
> of ensuring PMC requirements are being covered
> off.  Ted may have a different thought though :>.
>
> I'd be _very_ uncomfortable for the chair to make
> a unilateral decision.  I see the chair as more of
> a co-ordinator and facilitator than arbitrary
> decision maker.

The chair is mostly a leader among equals.   Their vote doesn't count more
than anyone else, and they don't have the power to override the charter.

> Cheers,
>     Berin
>
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