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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 02:05:58 -0700
From: Milo Hyson <milo@cyberlifelabs.com>
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Subject: Re: Multi-source XML pipeline model
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> [In Cocoon]" All data transformed by the pipeline emanates from one 
> place and has to be processed by the same set of transformations."
>
> This is not correct; Cocoon has aggregation, and conditions inside 
> pipelines, and pipeline chanining... 

My bad. The information on aggregation was not very prominently placed 
in the Cocoon documentation. Having read that info now, and other 
sources around the net, I see that Cocoon does indeed support the 
multi-source model. However, the question now is can Cocoon be 
integrated into a Servlet environment strictly as a presentation engine? 
Looking around at places such as Cocoon Wiki, the answer seems to be no 
-- at least not in the same manner as JSPs.

 From what I can tell, Cocoon can process the output from a Servlet 
(either embedded within the Cocoon context or sourced from an external 
URL), but it cannot execute within the context of an external Servlet. 
It seems that, no matter what, Cocoon always executes within its own 
application context (please correct me if I am wrong). What I'd like to 
see is a lightweight version of Cocoon that can be embedded within a 
Tomcat app to handle the view components. Any plans or available work on 
something like this?

> You start right on saying Cocoon is not correct and maybe need to 
> maintain a new community project... I'd say it would be polite to ask 
> Cocooners first. We (Cocooners) are very open to new ideas and proposals.

That's exactly why I posted what I did -- to gain feedback from those in 
the know. Based on the information I had at the time (including 
discussions with people who use Cocoon), it appeared the multi-source 
model was not supported. Therefore, I took the proactive approach and 
rolled-my-own-pipeline. It appears I did reinvent the wheel (at least 
somewhat), thus the reason why I stopped work on XFormer until I could 
discuss the matter further.

-- 
Milo Hyson
CyberLife Labs


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