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From "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanj...@watson.ibm.com>
Subject time for a Web services PMC? (was: Fw: spinning out projects (was: incubator project))
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2002 05:57:03 GMT
Given the note below, I wonder whether its time to consider a
"Web services" PMC for Apache. I would like to see that come up.

Here's my +1.

I volunteer to write up the proposal if folks are intersted. There
are a bunch of projects that would move under the new PMC:
    Axis, Apache SOAP, WSIL4J, WSIF

Sanjiva.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Stein" <gstein@apache.org>
To: <reorg@apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: spinning out projects (was: incubator project)


> On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 08:58:49AM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >...
> > > This is why we are sick of being hosted in a container that doesn't
give
> > > us nothing and we would almost all love to see xml blasted and the
> > > flattening resolution passed.
> >...
> > > XML people don't give a damn about the xml.apache.org brand because
> > > there is none and there is no community that feels that
'xml.apache.org'
> > > is *the place* for XML technology (even if, maybe, it is).
> > >
> > > We perceive it as a dry and useless container of full-blown ASF
projects
> > > that happen to work on XML technologies. So we have nothing to worry
> > > about if it goes down the drain.
> >...
> > > Jakarta is a container with a general community that respect the brand
> > > and enjoys to be part of it. XML is just a container and nobody really
> > > think it's getting something out of being part of it.
> >...
> > Two things, and I have been VERY consistent about this:
> >
> > 1) If you want Cocoon or any other project separate from XML, then get
> > off your butt and put together a proposal.  There is at least one board
> > member who would actively support such a proposal (me).
> >
> > 2) Such a proposal should not be conditional on the actions of any other
> > project or set of committers not part of the proposal.  Perhaps Xalan
> > and Xerces don't *want* to xml.apache.org to be blasted.
>
>
> Sam is 100% spot-on here. There is absolutely no reason to wait for any
> flattening or reorg or anything. Heck... who knows if/when that will even
> happen.
>
> If you want to be separated, then write up a resolution to establish a new
> PMC for the project. Send that resolution to board@. We may ask for a
couple
> refinements, then put it onto the agenda for our next meeting.
>
> The Board is not going to spin you out. *YOU* have to do the legwork to
make
> that happen.
>
> As with Sam, I would also vote for such a separation. So you've got 2 of
the
> 9 potential votes already. And yes, my vote will also go for spinning out
> any Jakarta projects.
>
> The next Board meeting will occur at ApacheCon. Please try to send your
> proposed resolutions at least a week beforehand, although 2-3 days might
> be okay. (but if it appears the directors have not had adequate review
time,
> then it'll get tabled; that's why sending it earlier is better)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> --
> gstein@apache.org ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/


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