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From Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Question for new projects
Date Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:50:16 GMT
Stephan Michels wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > first of all, thanks for asking, we are all very excited to see new
> > efforts added to the Apache XML project.
> No, I must thank you and the apache community, for your great work like
> cocoon and xerces. These Projects, which I made, want I see as a thank
> you.
> I think it was Linus, who says he stand on the shoulders of giants.

:) thank you.

> > I also see a need for such a thing and I would find it useful to wrap it
> > with a cocoon generator.
> Yes, were a certains componenents in planning. At this moment I work with
> ant tasks.

That's no problem. I'm sure a bunch of people in the cocoon list will
help you out on this.
> > There is only one problem that I see: in order to start a subproject, we
> > require at least *two* active developers that have diverse affiliations.
> For the mathml project, is this no problem.

> > Please read the jakarta criteria which are very similar to the one we
> > use.
> >
> >   http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
> >
> > This said, it's entirely possible that your contribution might end up
> > living under another subproject and factored out as more people are
> > working on it.
> Okay, I understand.
> > Or, another option, is to host them on sourceforge and start a community
> > there, keeping the software license compatible with Apache's.
> My question at this point is, can I start the apache licence, or belongs
> the apache licence only to apache projects. Then I can't start with the
> apache licence, which licence are the best licence, which is compatible
> to the apache licence?

My suggestion would be to use the Apache License as a skeleton and
change a few things to suit your needs:

1) you can't give copyright to the ASF for something that is not hosted
on its CVS (this is a policy of the ASF), so you have to give copyright
to you or any other entity that represents you and the other
contributors. Of course, if you plan to donate the code to the ASF later
on, I would suggest you to place copyright on something that you have
firm control on (so, for example, not your university) since it will be
the legal entity that will have to sign the donation aggreement with the

2) in the section of brand protection, change the 'Apache' and the
various ASF-related names ('cocoon', 'xalan', 'xerces', depending on
which license you start from) to the name of your project.

3) in the section 'this software contains parts written by the ASF',
replace ASF with the copyright entity (that could even be your name)

4) as a personal preference, if you plan to donate it, I would suggest
you to avoid using acronyms as the project name since it doesn't really
fit into our naming-scheme (we like fantasy names which are normally
easier to pronounce and to visualize for international communities)

> > Please understand this is nothing technical or personal: we are afraid
> > of accepting donations about efforts that aren't already backed up by a
> > strong and healthy open development community. And this appears to be
> > your case.
> >
> > Again, at the same time, this doesn't mean that we are not happy to
> > accept your contribution and, eventually (upon community votation), to
> > give you CVS access if you decide to continue its development.
> >
> > But I think your projects, as they are, don't meet our criteria for
> > subproject creation.
> Yes, I understand. So I will first "sourceforging" the projects, and build
> first a community of developer.


Keep in mind that the fact that an effort starts 'sourceforged' doesn't
mean that collaboration can't take place since day one.

Rather the opposite: I would love to see collaboration between a MathML
effort and Cocoon, FOP and Batik since all of them have something to do
with XML presentation and java and many people have expressed their
interest in publishing MathML and traslating it into SVG or similar.

So, let us know when your projects start (I would suggest starting two
different ones, one for MathML and one for the text2XML parser) and I,
for sure, will be interested in sparlking collaboration from the cocoon

Arved, any info about MathML on the FOP side of things?

Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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