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From "Alistair Hopkins" <alist...@berthengron.co.uk>
Subject RE: [OT] Design Rant
Date Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:46:48 GMT
-1

Unless someone can explain WHY tables are a bad way to lay out HTML.  'They
weren't intended for it' isn't really good enough!  If they provide a richer
functionality without nasty side effects why not?  How are they so bad for
text browsers?  Now, the argument behind FORMATTING using css is rock solid,
but I always thought that HTML was about LAYOUT and CSS was about
FORMATTING.  Looking at w3c, they go on about 'adding style': I always read
that as 'formatting'. In my work, I'm clear:

XML [data] -xsl-> HTML [data+layout] -css-> Screen [data+layout+formatting]

To change the layout, I change the xsl.  I design the xsl so that
site-global layout is managed from a single point.  If I want HTML without
any HTML markup for non-browser-usage, I use - well, XML!  If I want 'HTML'
to print nicely, I use FO and FOP.

Pragmatism over purism, I say.

Alistair





-----Original Message-----
From: Gerhard Froehlich [mailto:g-froehlich@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:13 PM
To: Apache XML General List
Subject: RE: [OT] Design Rant


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:bloritsch@apache.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:01 PM
>To: general@xml.apache.org
>Cc: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [OT] Design Rant
>
>
>Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> Copied to general@ since this is a general discussion.
>>
>> It's a strong position but, hey, I find resonating with what you're
>> saying :)
>>
>> We have the *luxury* to know what our user base is and estimate their
>> needs very precisely.
>>
>> Moreover, this is a site dedicated to new technologies for the web and a
>> site dedicated to evangelize open standard compliance thru reference
>> implementations and cooperation.
>>
>> If we page a page on the 'about' section that talks about our reasons, I
>> think people might even appreciate our effort to both evangelize the
>> technology and 'put in practice' what we say.
>>
>> What do others think? (we must have a wide agreement to go forward on
>> this)
>
>
>+1
+1, of course

  Gerhard

"Sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma."


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