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From "Robert Koberg" <...@koberg.com>
Subject Re: [OT] Design Rant
Date Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:45:38 GMT

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Henning von Bargen" <H.vonBargen@triestram-partner.de>

> A HTML page should simply be coded in a linear fashion
> (I read that somewhere in an article about designing web pages for
> readers),

I've never heard of the horizontally impaired :) - joking, I understand what
you mean

It would certainly make life easier to build one column pages :)  The last
'professional' website I made was:
http://teenlearningnetwork.com (very heavy and if your browser has trouble
with tables it will have trouble with this site...)
you would not believe the battles I had to go through to get them to conform
to some _minimum_ usability standards (I failed in many ways...). Both the
designer and executive producer wanted a 'flashy' site to attract the
kiddies. I came in after the site was designed and just applied some
xml/xslt/java goodness to generate the site. I'd like to see somebody layout
that design without tables :) I guess my point is my mortgage in SF is
expensive and I have to pay the bills...

> so that it is usable with screen readers.
> As a rule of thumb, it should be more or less possible to read the html
> like a book if you think all the html tags stripped off.

but that does not suit everybody's needs.  So you feel there should not even
be a side-nav-bar?  I work a good deal with designers (well, actually
graphic artists...). Just like when you guys look at a a highly styled page
and feel it is ridiculous, they look at a basic one column layout and cry
"Amatuer!"  It has been my experience that the designer is there with the
client way before the developer. So they have early infleunce. And in many
cases the person paying for the site wants something 'that stands out.'

> Tables should be used for tabular data only inside the content
> and (as a practical exception) can be used inside toolbars at the top and
> bottom
> which aren't part of the content.

yes, and personal computers are for spreadsheets -- can you imagine the
security risks if pc's were networked? Curious, why do make just the one
practical exception?

> BTW, the text resizing problem you mentioned above is exactly the same
> fixed-size tables.
> All that pixel-measuring-stuff should be left to the browsers.

that is not my experience.  Absolutely positioned DIVs can (and do if text
is resized) overlap each other. Table cells push each other one way or the
other (or the text wraps).  So, yes, it is best to let the browser handle it
(but first give it some idea what to do)


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