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From Scott_B...@lotus.com
Subject -1 to Anakia
Date Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:02:27 GMT

Hi Kids.  I hate to rain on the parade, but I think it would look pretty
funny to use Anakia instead of XSLT for the Xalan project.  Further, I
think the use of JDOM in Anakia is moving the opposite direction of a high
performance for dynamic transformations.

I don't usually take a non-moveable stand on things, but at least the Xalan
project will be using Anakia over my dead, bloodied body.  Nor do I think
the rest of apache should adapt it... I've had arguments Jon before about
why I think XSLT & JAXP 1.1 is better.

If someone pulls out the ". Anakia seems to perform much faster than
Xalan's XSL processor at creating pages. (23 pages are generated in 7-8
seconds on a PIII 500mhz running Win98 and JDK 1.3 with client Hotspot. A
similar system using Ant's <style> task took 14-15 seconds -- nearly a 2x
speed improvement.) " I'll scream.  Like all benchmarks, claims are easily
made, but details sometimes not so fourth coming.  And, no, I don't want to
get into a benchmark war with these guys.  I will say the problems with
Stylebook have very little to do with XSLT or Xalan... it is much more a
factor of the stylebook code itself (and sometimes how it is using Xalan
and the DOM).

I would simply ask you all to double-check your logic about adapting
Anakia, and whether or not it's really the direction you want to go.

BTW, the Anakia page is at: http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/anakia.html.
I obviously have very strong objections to it's claims.

-1.

-scott




                                                                                         
                         
                    "Ted Leung"                                                          
                         
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                                         Subject:     Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta
                       
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The plan for the site has always been to use C2 when it stabilized.

We are getting closer and closer to that, right Dims?  I don't know
anything
about Anakia, but if it is using XML as input, then it seems that
stylesheet
magic could be used to go between C2 and Anakia and InDesign.

If we could get off of stylebook and onto C2 I'd be very happy.

Ted

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason van Zyl" <jvanzyl@apache.org>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [RFC] Re: Helma XML-RPC @ Jakarta


On 7/12/01 9:12 AM, "Sam Ruby" <rubys@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way you could use Stylebook? Site generation for
xml.apache.org
>> is already in a bit
>> of mess. Take a look at the xml-site module in CVS. Using anakia now
will
>> increase the problems
>> later when all of us decide to revamp the system for generating the
>> xml.apache.org site.
>
> Aren't we planning on replacing stylebook "real soon now"?

I sent a message Davanum about Anakia. I would like to use Anakia
because it's working well at Jakarta and I think it's going to
be used for the main apache site.

I am also working on an XML import filter for Adobe's InDesign which
will allow me to take an Anakia formatted document and produce
professional grade PDFs for all the apache documentation. I'm using
InDesign to layout a book I'm working on so I figured I'd kill a
few birds. This will take a while but that¹s the eventual goal.

I really don't want to use Stylebook, it's slow and what it produces
right now must account for half the traffic on apache with all those
itty bitty images :-)

> - Sam Ruby
>
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jvz.

Jason van Zyl

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