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From "Ted Leung" <twle...@sauria.com>
Subject Re: Size of the PMC
Date Wed, 07 Mar 2001 04:49:59 GMT
I think if you look now you'll see some votes ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik" <dirkx@covalent.net>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: Size of the PMC

> As laid out a couple of times by Roy and me - the role of the PMC is in
> part dictated by the charter of the ASF and focuses on coordiation and
> oversight - rather on technical issues. Those are assumed to be dealt with
> by the committer's or by something coordinated by the PMC.
> Given that we now have 14 volunteers - which is a fairly large a number
> for a PMC where do we go next. (Though this is a very good number if we
> wanted besides a PMC also something which coordinates all the committer
> groups. Unfortunately I am not sure that we cover all comiiter groups.)
> I've seen several people stressing that '5' would be a good number but
> nothing that conclusive or which looked like a vote. And I personally and
> generally agree that a smaller number is what we have used in the past and
> seems right - I am also sensitive to the fact that a larger PMC might be
> able to be more active as it relies less on a few.
> However; having said that; this is what the ASF charter says:
> Section 6.3. Project Management Committees.
> In addition to the officers of the corporation, the Board of
> Directors may, by resolution, establish one or more Project
> Management Committees consisting of at least
> one officer of the corporation, who shall be designated chairman
> of such committee, and may include one or more other members of
> the corporation. Unless elected or appointed as an officer in
> accordance with Sections 6.1 and 6.4 of these Bylaws, a member of
> a Project Management Committee shall not be deemed an officer of
> the corporation.
> Each Project Management Committee shall be responsible for the
> active management of one or more projects identified by resolution
> of the Board of Directors which may include, without limitation,
> the creation or maintenance of "open-source" software for
> distribution to the public at no charge. Subject to the direction
> of the Board of Directors, the chairman of each Project Management
> Committee shall be primarily responsible for project(s) managed by
> such committee, and he or she shall establish rules and procedures
> for the day to day management of project(s) for which the
> committee is responsible.
> The Board of Directors of the corporation may, by resolution,
> terminate a Project Management Committee at any time.
> Concluding; the requirment is management or oversight. And this clearly
> would not rule a PMC of 15 people as out of scope. (Although of course the
> board might find this too impractical to even experiment with).
> So my question to you is; what size do we think the PMC should be given
> that its role as dictated by the ASF is mundane/legal/oversight - rather
> than tech discussion
> a.      small 5.
> b       medium 7.
> c. a bit bigger 9.
> d.      big - 15 or more.
> And is this somethiing we want to talk about futher first - or vote on
> soon (in that case - if I see two people seconding a vote I'll call
> it). Or do you people want to ask the board if a large number would be
> acceptable ? Opinions ?
> Thanks,
> Dw
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