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From "Ted Leung" <twle...@sauria.com>
Subject Re: Resend of first cut
Date Wed, 07 Mar 2001 19:11:34 GMT
I believe that in the rest of the ASF, committer status is a perquisite.  I
believe that the term Brian B. likes to use is "meritocracy", and for
better or worse, in the ASF, the measure of merit is committer status.

That said, I think it should be pretty clear to everyone that the new PMC
is not going to operate in a back room as the old one did.   I think that
this openness, coupled with a general election will give the new PMC
more of a sense of responsibility to get things done.  That's certainly
what I expect, and I expect the general project membership (and
realistically) the ASF board, to make a stink if things don't get going.

Ted

----- Original Message -----
From: <lchamber@ca.ibm.com>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Resend of first cut


> While I agree, IMHO, that the PMC shouldn't have anyone on it who just
> tries to tell other
> people what to do, limiting it to just committers is overkill. Committers
> are known for their
> technical contributions, and the PMC needs to leverage non-technical
skills
> as well.
> I'd hate to see the new PMC be less effective than it could be because the
> newly-elected
> team prioritized the "dry" administrative work down the queue.
>
> Luc
>
>
> ---------------------- Forwarded by Luc Chamberland/Toronto/IBM on
> 03/07/2001 12:22 PM ---------------------------
>
> Scott Boag/CAM/Lotus@Lotus on 03/07/2001 11:28:42 AM
>
> Please respond to general@xml.apache.org
>
> To:   general@xml.apache.org
> cc:
> Subject:  Re: Resend of first cut
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Kelly Campbell wrote:
> > I know
> > we've said having non-committer input in the PMC is important, but
should
> > we be changing the rules for the PMC makeup at this point?
>
> Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx@covalent.net> wrote:
> > I am willing to defend to the board any
> > markup of the PMC - based on committers, non committers or even external
> > people - or whatever other format is made here.
>
> I don't think we should restrict the list to only committers.  However I
> feel strongly that the PMC members should be people who commit to the code
> base on a daily bases, and who truly understand the issues and are
invested
> by virtue of hard work.  That's why I like the Apache & Open Source
> communities... for the most part there are no managers who only do
> management (not that there's anything wrong with this).  And commit statis
> is one signal that the people are putting more into xml.apache.org than
> bright ideas.  Therefore, I personally will only vote for committers, with
> the possible exception of Dirk as chair by virtue of his board
> representation, because of his history with the PMC, and because to me he
> is a known quantity who is not too heavy handed.  Again, people should
vote
> for whoever they feel will be best at the job... I just happen to feel
that
> commit status is one of the criteria for this.
>
> -scott
>
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