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From "Arved Sandstrom" <Arved...@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject Re: Volunteers needed: Reboot of the XML 'PMC'.
Date Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:59:56 GMT
I've been pretty vocal elsewhere about XML PMC problems...I was waiting,
like Ted, to see who stepped up. I'd very definitely want to see
representation from FOP, for a number of reasons. One, we are not well
understood but I think we are working in an area of XML that will only
increase in importance. Two, we _are_ different from being a parser. Three,
FOP developers and committers are 100% own-time volunteers with no
affiliation to any big names (relatively speaking), so we have a different
perspective.

Having said that, I'll tentatively volunteer. If somebody else weighs in
either from FOP or with interests that encompass XML-based print publishing,
I'll withdraw my intention to volunteer so as to keep the numbers down, if
necessary. I don't want to give the impression that I wouldn't be keen to do
it, but I wouldn't be averse to seeing other viewpoints getting a chance
either.

Regards,
Arved Sandstrom

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Volunteers needed: Reboot of the XML 'PMC'.


> Dirk,
>
> I'm interested in a continuing role on the XML PMC.  I didn't post
> right away because I wanted to see how people reacted.  It's been
> surprisingly a non-topic.  I'm concerned because I want to see more
> involvement from people who are already involved in the projects.
>
> Ted
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" <dirkx@webweaving.org>
> To: <general@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:55 AM
> Subject: Volunteers needed: Reboot of the XML 'PMC'.
>
>
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> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > As most of you know, the XML project is part of the Apache Software
> > Foundation (ASF) which has a Board of Director's. Guiding the XML
projects
> > is delegated to a 'PMC/XML' - a project management committee specific to
> > the XML projects. Which guides and helps (new and current) XML projects
> > with things like the initial bootstrapping, licenses and so on - as well
> > as trying to coordinate between projects. All groups are volunteers -
just
> > like all of us here on the mailing lists.
> >
> > The task of the PMC is primarily oversight on behalf of the board from a
> > more legal and organizational perspective. It deals primarily with
fairly
> > dry things things such as questions about licenses, new projects and so
> on.
> >
> > During the last 6 months or so; the current PMC (which largely was
> > responsible for creating the XML project originally) has not been as
> > active as it should have been. And this is a problem -as small though
the
> > role of a PMC is; it is essential for the foundation and essential if we
> > want to make sure there is synergy.
> >
> > Both the PMC as well as the Board now consider it essential to get a new
> > PMC on the road again - and I am left with the task to do this.
> >
> > Now this official talk might sound grave and worrysome; but in all
> > honestly, such things are a common reality in any volunteer organization
> > and are possible to fix. I'd like to stress that since there is a lot of
> > good coding being done; we do see the XML projects as a healthy bunch.
> >
> > So during the next weeks I am asking your help -as you folks are
> > essentially the 'core' of what the apache XML project is- to define the
> > future of the XML projects.
> >
> > The discussion will take place on the
> >
> > general@xml.apache.org
> >
> > mailing list. Subscribe, if you have not already done so, by sending
> > mail to:
> >
> > general-subscribe@xml.apache.org
> >
> > Plan of action:
> >
> > What the ASF board wants us to do in the next few weeks is the
following:
> >
> > 1. Propose a new PMC to the board which has a good
> > overview of all active XML projects and wants to work
> > on the bigger picture.
> >
> > In other words - we need volunteers.
> >
> > We need to have 3 to 9 people. The exact number and composure can be
done
> > by consensus - or we can have a vote using the usual committer vote.
This
> > new PMC can either be an interim PMC or one for a longer period.
Whichever
> > is felt as most appropriate. We intentionally break here with the system
> > where the old PMC nominates the new. We want the broadest committer
driven
> > representation possible.
> >
> > The first task for the PMC will be:
> >
> > 2. Work with the ASF board to re-define it's current charter.
> > Right now it is too narrow and only covers XML parsers!
> >
> > And following this we need to work on where the XML project should
> > go; what good metric's are to measure and accept new projects; how and
> > when to phase out inactive projects and how we might want to work with
the
> > Jakarta folks. As right now one of our bigger puzzles is version-ing and
> > release management; we have a lot of dependencies.
> >
> > Please be so kind to follow up on
> >
> > general@xml.apache.org
> >
> > In order to keep things moving forward; these are the questions we
> > need to discuss at a minimum:
> >
> > 1. Who wants to volunteer for the next PMC - and how
> > do we make sure there is a good cross representation
> > of all projects within the XML project.
> >
> > 2. Where do we want the XML projects to go; what is our
> > scope ? Right now we say:
> >
> > o to provide commercial-quality standards-based XML
> > solutions that are developed in an open and cooperative
> > fashion,
> >
> > o to provide feedback to standards bodies (such as
> > IETF and W3C) from an implementation perspective, and
> >
> > o to be a focus for XML-related activities within
> > Apache projects
> >
> > Is this still appropriate ? Can we narrow it down, is
> > this enough guidance ? Are all projects positioned
> > right ? How do we deal with new projects ?
> >
> > 3. Think of synergy; how can we make all this work better
> > when used together. How could we improve version-ing,
> > should we work with the Jakarta folks more closely ?
> >
> > So again; follow up on general@xml.apache.org - and come with an open
mind
> > - - focused on the future;
> >
> > Thanks everyone !
> >
> > Dw
> > - --
> > Dirk-Willem van Gulik, ASF board member and PMC/XML.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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