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From "Ted Leung" <twle...@sauria.com>
Subject Re: Volunteers needed: Reboot of the XML 'PMC'.
Date Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:26:30 GMT

I'm interested in a continuing role on the XML PMC.  I didn't post
right away because I wanted to see how people reacted.  It's been
surprisingly a non-topic.  I'm concerned because I want to see more
involvement from people who are already involved in the projects.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik (vaio)" <dirkx@webweaving.org>
To: <general@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:55 AM
Subject: Volunteers needed: Reboot of the XML 'PMC'.

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> Folks,
> As most of you know, the XML project is part of the Apache Software
> Foundation (ASF) which has a Board of Director's. Guiding the XML projects
> is delegated to a 'PMC/XML' - a project management committee specific to
> the XML projects. Which guides and helps (new and current) XML projects
> with things like the initial bootstrapping, licenses and so on - as well
> as trying to coordinate between projects. All groups are volunteers - just
> like all of us here on the mailing lists.
> The task of the PMC is primarily oversight on behalf of the board from a
> more legal and organizational perspective. It deals primarily with fairly
> dry things things such as questions about licenses, new projects and so
> During the last 6 months or so; the current PMC (which largely was
> responsible for creating the XML project originally) has not been as
> active as it should have been. And this is a problem -as small though the
> role of a PMC is; it is essential for the foundation and essential if we
> want to make sure there is synergy.
> Both the PMC as well as the Board now consider it essential to get a new
> PMC on the road again - and I am left with the task to do this.
> Now this official talk might sound grave and worrysome; but in all
> honestly, such things are a common reality in any volunteer organization
> and are possible to fix. I'd like to stress that since there is a lot of
> good coding being done; we do see the XML projects as a healthy bunch.
> So during the next weeks I am asking your help -as you folks are
> essentially the 'core' of what the apache XML project is- to define the
> future of the XML projects.
> The discussion will take place on the
> general@xml.apache.org
> mailing list. Subscribe, if you have not already done so, by sending
> mail to:
> general-subscribe@xml.apache.org
> Plan of action:
> What the ASF board wants us to do in the next few weeks is the following:
> 1. Propose a new PMC to the board which has a good
> overview of all active XML projects and wants to work
> on the bigger picture.
> In other words - we need volunteers.
> We need to have 3 to 9 people. The exact number and composure can be done
> by consensus - or we can have a vote using the usual committer vote. This
> new PMC can either be an interim PMC or one for a longer period. Whichever
> is felt as most appropriate. We intentionally break here with the system
> where the old PMC nominates the new. We want the broadest committer driven
> representation possible.
> The first task for the PMC will be:
> 2. Work with the ASF board to re-define it's current charter.
> Right now it is too narrow and only covers XML parsers!
> And following this we need to work on where the XML project should
> go; what good metric's are to measure and accept new projects; how and
> when to phase out inactive projects and how we might want to work with the
> Jakarta folks. As right now one of our bigger puzzles is version-ing and
> release management; we have a lot of dependencies.
> Please be so kind to follow up on
> general@xml.apache.org
> In order to keep things moving forward; these are the questions we
> need to discuss at a minimum:
> 1. Who wants to volunteer for the next PMC - and how
> do we make sure there is a good cross representation
> of all projects within the XML project.
> 2. Where do we want the XML projects to go; what is our
> scope ? Right now we say:
> o to provide commercial-quality standards-based XML
> solutions that are developed in an open and cooperative
> fashion,
> o to provide feedback to standards bodies (such as
> IETF and W3C) from an implementation perspective, and
> o to be a focus for XML-related activities within
> Apache projects
> Is this still appropriate ? Can we narrow it down, is
> this enough guidance ? Are all projects positioned
> right ? How do we deal with new projects ?
> 3. Think of synergy; how can we make all this work better
> when used together. How could we improve version-ing,
> should we work with the Jakarta folks more closely ?
> So again; follow up on general@xml.apache.org - and come with an open mind
> - - focused on the future;
> Thanks everyone !
> Dw
> - --
> Dirk-Willem van Gulik, ASF board member and PMC/XML.
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