From james.davidson@eng.sun.com Tue Jul 11 23:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact general-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list general@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 85884 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 23:39:31 -0000 Received: from mercury.sun.com (192.9.25.1) by locus.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 23:39:31 -0000 Received: from shorter.eng.sun.com ([129.144.125.35]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27406 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.144.124.45] (d-ucup02-124-45 [129.144.124.45]) by shorter.eng.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with ESMTP id QAA00797 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:39:30 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:39:34 -0700 Subject: Re: What name? From: James Duncan Davidson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d301bfeb8a$edd867e0$cd170609@leia> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 7/11/00 3:53 PM, Joe Polastre at jpolast@apache.org wrote: > ensuring dominance vs. committing resources is a different story though. > sun (and other companies) have agreed to commit to work on xerces, yet we > haven't seen anything from them until this spinnaker debacle. public > perception is a problem--many sun speakers at the javaone conference > specifically said that xerces was "sun's code" and "primary development is > being done by sun." [this was in the sessions, not the apache bof] And you didn't hear that from me.... And I seriously chastised any occurance that I know of it -- and all I can do is apologize for that. I get *really* tired of apologizing for some of the stupid shit that Sun people have done though. :( And the Sun folks have been looking at Xerces code for a *very* long time trying to figure out how best to use/contribute to it. What you don't know is that I spent the last 6 months or so trying to get the people here to use Xerces, and dump all other development. But they convinced me that there were issues that needed to be addressed. So... But you're opening up Sun vs. IBM wounds again. And I don't really mean to make them worse... > just don't like the 'spinnaker' name... that's it =) like i said above, it > has a negative connotation to me... like xml4j was IBM's internal name, > sorta seems like spinnaker is the same for sun. Funny considering that Spinnaker has *no* code and wasn't a Sun name.... It was my name. But I understand that people see that I'm a Sun drone... So.. But really, I don't have a problem with you not liking the Spinnaker name. Actually, I like Sam's proposed XRI name. It's what it is "Xerces Refactoring Initiative". .duncan