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From Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [spinnaker] Announce
Date Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:56:53 GMT
Arnaud Le Hors wrote:
> 
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >
> > This is the problem: you guys work in the same building.
> >
> > When Pier and I worked on JServ 1.0 we lived on the phone and the
> > community didn't know _why_ we were doing things. It made them feel very
> > bad and slowed down the community by order of magnitudes.
> >
> > Here, you are doing the same mistake.
> >
> > A single two line email like: hey, look a the new branch and comment our
> > ideas on a Xerces next generation.
> >
> > That's it, simple enoung, everybody would be happy.
> 
> Yes, we've had "internal" discussions. Hell, we work next to each other,
> we have lunch together, are we suppose to only talk about what the
> weather is like?? But our discussions aren't more internal than James'
> discussions with Ted or the ones he said he had with the XML team at
> Sun.
>
> This said, I agree with you, we've failed to keep the list posted. I
> believe the only reason is that we've always felt like we were the only
> ones to care. We should have posted to the list anyway, just to prevent
> what's going on. Well, we can't rewrite history...

You are not only one who care, so stop this and move forward.
 
> > Damn, people, the Sun and IBM Cupertino buildings are just a couple of
> > blocks away and I have to tell you from the other side of the planet how
> > to communicate?
> 
> I've actually met with them at least once. And I must say that I got
> quite disappointed. We made many proposals on how to get them more
> involved. But they weren't responsive at all. All we got was the feeling
> that weren't really committed to this project and we had to keep doing
> all the work to keep this project moving. It looks like there are
> committed now. They've sent more messages in the last two days in the
> last year altogether! That's great! Let's use this new energy to make
> Xerces even better.

I heard the exact same things on the other side of the fence.

But the problem is not that, it's the fence itself!

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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