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From "basem elgawly" <bas...@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: [proposal] Better look and feel
Date Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:04:01 GMT
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>From: Pierpaolo Fumagalli <pier@apache.org>
>Reply-To: general@xml.apache.org
>To: general@xml.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [proposal] Better look and feel
>Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:55:09 +0100
>Mike Pogue wrote:
> >
> > Since there are many projects under the xml.apache.org umbrella, I
> > propose that the status (which I vote +1 on) should be on each
> > individual subproject home page, and NOT on the main xml.apache.org home
> > page.
>I personally would prefer to see a one-line status message on
>xml.apache.org, and then a full status page in each subproject webspace,
>but I really don't care...
> > I propose that code fragments that are wider than the fixed width table
> > be rewritten so that they aren't so wide.  This is almost always
> > possible.  So, I vote +1 for fixed width pages (I like very much to be
> > able to print them).
> >
> > In the long term, I'd like the regular regen of the site to build BOTH
> > the HTML and the PDF version of the site.  Then, the tables in the HTML
> > can go back to variable width.  Until we have a working PDF solution,
> > however, I think they should stay fixed width.
> >
> > So, I guess this is +1 for leaving them fixed for now, and +1 for
> > changing them to variable width when PDF format for docs is available.
>Agreed for the same reasons... I'm working on the PDF generation
>stylesheet, and shouldn't take that long (I just wish that damn XSL:FO
>was a little bit simpler!). Agreed.
> > I think that Stylebook should not force one style and one grammar on
> > everybody.  I think it's important that it be able to (on a regular
> > basis) use different grammars and stylesheets.  We already have two
> > stylesheets (apache and Xmas-apache, and I know of two more used
> > internal to IBM, bringing the total to 4).  We have a couple of grammars
> > (for each subproject).  If we go down to a single grammar, we will lose
> > out on our testing, and our thinking will be narrow.
>StyleBook/Cocoon IS NOT tied (and we are NOT WILLING to tie it) to a
>specific DTD. But anyway, the current DTD we use is too simple to do
>what we need. The changes are not essential, IMVHO, mainly additions to
>what we already have (that's what I'm thinking) but necessary.
>Things like better table handling, and better images/pictures handling
>are required, IMVHO, so I accept and agree the modification of our
>current DTDs (and my effort will be in preserving backward
> > Also, I think there are very few people who actually do
> > writing/documentation for more than one subproject at the same time, so
> > making them common (while nice in the ideal case), is not required.
>I already have problems handling the XALAN docs, since they use a
>different grammar, and, how the situation is right now, is quite painful
>to maintain our small website... I would like to agree on a Common DTD
>for all our subprojects, so that we can all work in the same way.
> > Besides, I don't like Stefano's grammar, and he doesn't like mine!  :-)
>I don't like Stefano's grammar too, but I have to admit that the one we
>designed needs some additions.
> > (Note: somewhere down the road, when we have enough testing on this
> > thing, and it stabilizes, I might be more convinced.  Right now, it's
> > just making a change to the grammar, for at least one of us, with no
> > real benefit to the individual subprojects. For all the same reasons, we
> > don't force people to use Docbook....)
>Let's make it this way... I know what Stefano wants, and I know what you
>want... Let me come up with something in a few days and we can vote on
>it? Do you agree?
>	Pier

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