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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r1732385 - /infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext
Date Fri, 26 Feb 2016 09:57:13 GMT
On 26 February 2016 at 01:48, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> sebb wrote on 2/25/16 7:28 PM:
>> On 25 February 2016 at 22:02,  <curcuru@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Author: curcuru
>>> Date: Thu Feb 25 22:02:39 2016
>>> New Revision: 1732385
>>>
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1732385&view=rev
>>> Log:
>>> Clarifications and better explanations of many points; FAQ re: VPs vs Membership
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>>     infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext
>>>
>>> Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext
>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext?rev=1732385&r1=1732384&r2=1732385&view=diff
>>> ==============================================================================
>>> --- infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext (original)
>>> +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/content/dev/pmc.mdtext Thu Feb 25 22:02:39 2016
>>> @@ -26,13 +26,13 @@ of PMC members in managing their project
>>>  # Intended Audience # {#audience}
>>>
>>>  This document is targeted at Apache *PMC members*. A
>>> -[Project Management Committee](/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc) (PMC) is responsible
for the proper management
>>> -and oversight of an Apache project, and reports directly to the board.
>>> +[Project Management Committee](/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc) (PMC) is responsible
for the proper
>>> +[management and oversight of an Apache project][1], and reports directly to
the board.
>>
>> A PMC might have multiple projects?
>
> A PMC might have multiple software products.  But a PMC is by definition
> a "Project Management Committee", charged with managing the named
> project that the board puts in the resolution.
>
> Feel free to wordsmith, but the distinction between product and project
> is an important one.  Or am I missing something?

AIUI a software product is produced by a software project.

As such, there are lots of Apache projects that aren't TLPs - this is
one reason the TL prefix is used.

I don't know how to resolve this, but it seemed wrong to me when I read it.

>>>  If you are a committer who is not yet a PMC member then you probably want
>>>  to [read the committers guide](committers.html) instead.
>>>
>>> -If you are not yet a committer but are interested in joining Apache then
>>> +If you are not yet a committer but are interested in joining an Apache project
then
>>>  please start at the [Contributors Tech Guide](contributors.html).
>>>
>>>  For more information on how Apache projects are run, see "[What makes Apache
>>> @@ -50,7 +50,8 @@ Terms in this section as used as per [RF
>>>  PMCs **SHALL** ensure that the work on their project and the code that
>>>  they produce complies with relevant [Legal Affairs Committee](/legal/)
>>>  policies, including appropriately using the Apache License, handling IP and
>>> -copyrights correctly, and handling cryptography.
>>> +copyrights correctly, handling cryptography, and
>>> +[producing official software releases][2] of their products.
>>>
>>>  ## Comply With Brand Management Policies ## {#brand-policy}
>>>
>>> @@ -95,11 +96,11 @@ private list (where *project* is the nam
>>>  ## What Is A PMC? ## {#what-is-a-pmc}
>>>
>>>  A project management committee (PMC) is a committee of the Apache Software
>>> -Foundation charged with responsibility for a top level project. The PMC is
>>> +Foundation charged with [responsibility and governance][3] for their top level
project. The PMC is
>>
>> Surely the PMC is responsible for all its projects, not just the TLPs?
>
> PMCs only exist for TLPs (and for a few oddball other ones, like
> ComDev).  There are no podling PMCs.  Discussing the Incubator PMC is
> something best left to document on the Incubator website, if that's what
> you're asking about (which I agree is a complex subject, not one I'm
> ready to tackle yet).
>
> My work here is merely to help make it easier for our volunteer PMCs
> understand how things work, so everyone on this list is free to improve
> the wordsmithing.
>
> - Shane

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