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From Brett Porter <brett.por...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: pointer to JCP on modules
Date Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:15:41 GMT
Hi Steve,

We can discuss on jcp-open@apache.org. Jason and I have already
expressed a strong interest. Geir has applied for the ASF to be
represented, and has brought it up on the Harmony lists (must be
shifting their focus from J2SE5 to J2SE7 :). Excalibur may also be


On 6/19/05, Steve Loughran <steve.loughran@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sun, Intel, jBoss, others, proposing something on repositories/modules
> to ship into java
> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=277
> positive
> -would be built into Java1.7
> -would integrate w/ java web start (nice)
> -mentions maven repository. .NET assemblies/GAC, netbeans, ogsi/eclipse
> negative
> -no mention of the challenge of click through licensing fo rautomated downloads
> -doesnt note that build time dependencies should only be a hint. I.e,
> if operations need to upgrade to a later XML parser, there shouldnt be
> any need to rebuild the app.
> -Doesnt note that versioning is one of the most intractable problems
> of software engineering.
> Remember, these are the same people that gave us classpath: in the
> manifest, and the java/lib/ext directories, so their track record is,
> well, not good. I have a written a special inset in java dev
> explaining why classpath-in-manifest is to be avoided.
> There is an opportunity to get something good built into the runtime.
> The biggest risk is not that nothing goes in, but something duff ships
> instead, for it would set back progress for years.
> I'm thinking of adding myself to the wg as an apache representative.
> Anyone know who I should contact in apache.org? And is anyone else
> interested in joining in?
> -steve

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