From legal-discuss-return-16732-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@apache.org Thu Nov 7 18:06:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 44177180630 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:06:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 28684 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2019 18:06:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 28672 invoked by uid 99); 7 Nov 2019 18:06:56 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 18:06:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 6BB36180A6D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:06:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.198 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, KAM_SHORT=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KYXG27_eVXVj for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12f; helo=mail-lf1-x12f.google.com; envelope-from=srowen@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com (mail-lf1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id C9D1E7DDD1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id v4so2297207lfd.11 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:06:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AuqhEUtwlNtF9aYHrX1izaZzCA0Gyk0cZ1yJoO+MIBY=; b=GvuH8GU2cn/ifeslb3L7HtOa1ilMAHr/y+zU49usW18CMR2n3cQzyjDdQxQFKWk5sM 6JYxH4G0Lbx1Yxsd1mv3PIHTew3Nde6SwTzTY7v1AJNFpU1zyAWbWvRqO5mTs2jYxqYN uwesytZivPZupealnMzXBvMY5PphTG0lOmHFIHu4FG80bDKLNECfDPJro6rc7lzxUEIM m6eOlNaupujuqZmeWpBtdcNnd5jhVlpltekXEelFWI16ldX3FJmYZ4cytCJO4Vc+lUvG LQ3sWbi9Oxg7cpdREmEjbtVEF8jqVEw1eVwQf2zF/B+pNs5lfNzfmNCmMVaBlkM20Vcc R4Yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AuqhEUtwlNtF9aYHrX1izaZzCA0Gyk0cZ1yJoO+MIBY=; b=egX8tEbPgGk+RrR/4MBFFTjXXYZjPQY43O4RHKxJYdTBEEfvhIUpc1J3LGbX72prX/ lflkFhEa8Ag8jjoc+s5jbDfhDjosI0ipu8nH5Z6dCwu+WVLkdKKJZyH3vWXMa2gZXE+d VizJzstkF78wwmqjR1V1RG5XDj/pbhfXUByVeqPK8TNbngqXI4+fbhiG1EYMq0umyJAV rY0X84tnTxuuhhhHknm6OOs4jr6VroRgtdMhAcALKswcJOTRVE8iu9I8R6FzX6/YEaUV tNdyJXqVjitBXcb5ZvWXkTYJNzq6S+i2/gQ9xvDp0rop6QJgNHzQbVir93W3L74TbNnL jTtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBVT4srtyEhQ1aaL1h3pFsMThQfsROhlCYNMbRXt6bd7ViU1VM vOLRSXmVoSKEdlxxKvH1lhh9Yw9zq+J8CeO7s4yjnCgD X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx00os19hD8ZwiVUvVvN5HTyfigGZ5UT9CjMh+Pt3Ux+AnuNTJzsmM6N5YA3v6NwFmpG7VAybzCNq+6avBUnas= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4c1b:: with SMTP id t27mr3221858lfq.55.1573150005779; Thu, 07 Nov 2019 10:06:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Sean Owen Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:06:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Apache 2.0 License with LLVM Exceptions To: legal-discuss@apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (IIUC, the issue isn't tool output per se, which doesn't seem like it would ever be covered by an OSS license, but output that includes part of the tool itself, whose redistribution is governed by OSS licenses.) On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 12:02 PM Alex Harui wrote= : > > Interesting question. I thought it was established that tool output was = not licensed by the tool's license, but I can't find that in Google right n= ow, and GCC/GNU took the time to create an exception to make it more explic= it: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gcc-exception-3.1.html > > If I use MS Word to write a document, the document is not under MS's lice= nse, but maybe that is explicitly called out in their EULA. Same for Adobe= Acrobat and PDF files. > > Apache Flex and Royale have compilers. I don't recall any explicit excep= tion in Adobe's EULA for Flex. So if it turns out tool output needs expli= cit exceptions then we might need them for Flex and Royale. It could be th= at I've always thought of compiled output as a translation (In fact, Royale= 's compiler 'transpiles' from ActionScript to JavaScript, so not a binary o= utput), and AIUI, translations are copyright the original owner. > > -Alex > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org