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From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 20:34:05 +0100
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Subject: Re: NOTICE statements with original donations
To: legal-discuss@apache.org, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
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archived-at: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 19:34:21 -0000

We are talking about the NOTICE file here, which has a specific
purpose related to licensing.

There are other ways to recognise contributions.

On 15 October 2016 at 17:49, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid> wrot=
e:
> Well in my book this is not only about a purely legal necessity but also =
about giving back well deserved props to community members who did us a gre=
at service by donating the code. I really appreciated their donations also =
years later, so personally I see no reason to remove them.
>
> Ofc it would be good to clarify if this is a MUST, a MUST-NOT or a MAY.
>
> txs and LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Saturday, 15 October 2016, 18:21, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > However are those practices based on actual requirements?
>>
>> Projects copy other projects, as is being suggested here.
>> One popular incorrect source can result in lots of copies, and it then
>> becomes incorrectly established.
>>
>> On 15 October 2016 at 16:45, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>  afaik it's established practice to keep the original authors mentioned
>> in the NOTICE after a code grant if they want it.
>>>  e.g. https://github.com/apache/bval/blob/trunk/NOTICE
>>>
>>>
>>>  LieGrue,
>>>  strub
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  On Saturday, 15 October 2016, 17:42, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>  > On 15 October 2016 at 14:51, John D. Ament
>> <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Suppose that Company X donates a project to the ASF.  Is it OK for
>> the
>>>>>   resulting NOTICE to include a claim about the original donator,
>> e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>>   This product includes software originally developed by
>>>>>   Company X (http://www.company-x.com/), Copyright 2001 - 20XX.
>>>>
>>>>  NOTICE files need to be as minimal as possible.
>>>>  So I think the question is: under what circumstances is it *necessary=
*
>>>>  to include attribution in the NOTICE file?
>>>>  I'm not sure it's possible to establish that without info on
>> the
>>>>  conditions (i.e. license) under which the donation was made.
>>>>
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