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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: NOTICE statements with original donations
Date Sun, 16 Oct 2016 12:17:30 GMT
NOTICE is for *required* items only.

This is because the NOTICE MUST be propagated to downstream consumers,
who must propagate it in turn.

See the following:

http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice

Note the last sentence:

"Do not add anything to NOTICE which is not legally required."


On 16 October 2016 at 06:47, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> Apache Flex uses the following for code donated from Adobe Systems Inc.:
>
> The Initial Developer of the Original Code, known as Adobe Flex, is Adobe
> Systems Incorporated (http://www.adobe.com/).
>     Copyright 2003 - 2012 Adobe Systems Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.
>
> IIRC, that's because it was agreed to move the above copyright from the
> source files.  IMO, if the entity donating the code has copyrights in
> their source files, then the entity can/should agree to move them to
> NOTICE and thus they will be mentioned in NOTICE.  And if they don't have
> copyrights in the header, they could add them before donating the code, so
> why bother making them go through that step and just add an appropriate
> copyright in NOTICE.
>
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 10/15/16, 9:49 AM, "Mark Struberg" <struberg@yahoo.de.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>Well in my book this is not only about a purely legal necessity but also
>>about giving back well deserved props to community members who did us a
>>great service by donating the code. I really appreciated their donations
>>also years later, so personally I see no reason to remove them.
>>
>>Ofc it would be good to clarify if this is a MUST, a MUST-NOT or a MAY.
>>
>>txs and LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Saturday, 15 October 2016, 18:21, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > However are those practices based on actual requirements?
>>>
>>> Projects copy other projects, as is being suggested here.
>>> One popular incorrect source can result in lots of copies, and it then
>>> becomes incorrectly established.
>>>
>>> On 15 October 2016 at 16:45, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>  afaik it's established practice to keep the original authors
>>>>mentioned
>>> in the NOTICE after a code grant if they want it.
>>>>  e.g. https://github.com/apache/bval/blob/trunk/NOTICE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  LieGrue,
>>>>  strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  On Saturday, 15 October 2016, 17:42, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>  > On 15 October 2016 at 14:51, John D. Ament
>>> <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Suppose that Company X donates a project to the ASF.  Is it OK
for
>>> the
>>>>>>   resulting NOTICE to include a claim about the original donator,
>>> e.g.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   This product includes software originally developed by
>>>>>>   Company X (http://www.company-x.com/), Copyright 2001 - 20XX.
>>>>>
>>>>>  NOTICE files need to be as minimal as possible.
>>>>>  So I think the question is: under what circumstances is it
>>>>>*necessary*
>>>>>  to include attribution in the NOTICE file?
>>>>>  I'm not sure it's possible to establish that without info on
>>> the
>>>>>  conditions (i.e. license) under which the donation was made.
>>>>>
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