Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72608200B66 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 70F4D160AAE; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BA20160A86 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 3342 invoked by uid 500); 18 Aug 2016 20:14:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 3323 invoked by uid 99); 18 Aug 2016 20:14:58 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id CDEE2C041B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.726 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.726 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWDohU2GUefh for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uhil19pa10.eemsg.mail.mil (uhil19pa10.eemsg.mail.mil [214.24.21.83]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTP id 030E55FAF2 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:53 +0000 (UTC) X-EEMSG-Attachment-filename: smime.p7s Received: from edge-mech02.mail.mil ([214.21.130.230]) by uhil19pa10.eemsg.mail.mil with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2016 20:14:46 +0000 Received: from UMECHPAOU.easf.csd.disa.mil (214.21.130.164) by edge-mech02.mail.mil (214.21.130.230) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:44 +0000 Received: from UMECHPA7F.easf.csd.disa.mil ([169.254.1.202]) by umechpaou.easf.csd.disa.mil ([214.21.130.164]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:44 +0000 From: "Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)" To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" CC: Karl Fogel , Lawrence Rosen , "license-discuss@opensource.org" Subject: RE: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: US Army Research Laboratory Open Source License proposal Thread-Topic: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: US Army Research Laboratory Open Source License proposal Thread-Index: AQHR+X9RUEy3XGumxUamRxAw1jNl9KBPJliw Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:14:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <053b01d1e45f$3e962b70$bbc28250$@rosenlaw.com> <5483FF32-701B-4CE3-A333-F8A2336889EB@kl.nl> <54A3B05F-5EBF-4257-BC25-F9210FBA051D@kl.nl> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [214.21.44.13] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01D1F96B.9F942C80" MIME-Version: 1.0 archived-at: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:15:00 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01D1F96B.9F942C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The real trick is the DoJ; they have to defend the USG in court, as well as deal with any other legal aspects. If they are willing to accept the licenses as-is, then I suspect that rest of the USG would go along (note that I can't speak for the USG on this, someone with authority to sign off on the policy would have to make that decision). Thanks, Cem Karan > -----Original Message----- > From: William A Rowe Jr [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:26 PM > To: legal-discuss@apache.org > Cc: Karl Fogel ; Lawrence Rosen ; > license-discuss@opensource.org > Subject: RE: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: US Army Research > Laboratory Open Source License proposal > > All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please verify the > identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity of all links > contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address to a > Web browser. > > > ________________________________ > > > > > On Aug 3, 2016 08:51, "Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)" > mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, Karl Fogel on the mil-oss (Caution-http://www.mil-oss.org/ < > > Caution-http://www.mil-oss.org/ > ) mailing list made a suggestion > > that might be the solution. Would the Apache foundation be willing to > > work on Apache 2.1, or maybe 3.0, incorporating changes as needed to > > cover works that don't have copyright attached to them? If that were > > possible, we wouldn't need the ARL OSL at all. > > > > Thanks, > > Cem Karan > > Unsure how this news might apply but it sounds like changes in overall > policy might gain some traction to address this... 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