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From "Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)" <cem.f.karan....@mail.mil>
Subject RE: [Non-DoD Source] US Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL)
Date Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:08:50 GMT
Forge.mil isn't really geared towards Open Source, so most of its policies don't seem to be
as applicable, unfortunately.

Thanks,
Cem Karan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: P. Taylor Goetz [mailto:ptgoetz@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] US Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL)
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> Would anything on forge.mil help? I can’t really tell because I no longer have a DoD
CAC or PKI cert, but it might be worth looking there.
> 
> -Taylor
> 
> > On Jul 26, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) <cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil>
wrote:
> >
> > I haven't asked about the GOSS board, but I am in email contact with
> > Daniel Risacher who is in the DoD CIO's office.  I haven't spoken with
> > him directly about this, but another person I'm working with has (Sean
> > Morrison, in case you know him).  From what I understand, there is
> > policy for purchasing or using open source projects, but nothing that
> > explicitly deals with making open source a day-to-day business practice.
> >
> > Do you still have any other contacts within the office?  I'm reaching
> > out in every way I can think of to anyone I can find, but cold calling
> > is less effective than direct introductions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Cem Karan
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Matt Franklin [Caution-mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:57 PM
> >> To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> >> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: US Army Research Laboratory Open Source
> >> License (ARL OSL)
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> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a past work life, I collaborated with the DoD CIO's office.  At
> >> the time (2012), they had put together the Government Open Source
> >> Software (GOSS) board.  Have you looked into what they have in terms
> >> of licensing policy?  I know things like OWF were released under an
> >> Apache license; but, I believe they have discussed many of your
> >> issues and might already have something that would work for you.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL
> >> (US) <cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil < Caution-
> >> Caution-mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil > > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 	Hi, my name is Cem Karan.  I work for the US Army Research
> >> Laboratory (ARL) in
> >> 	Adelphi, MD.  I'm in charge of defining the Open Source policy for
> >> ARL.  As a
> >> 	part of this, we need a license that meets our legal and regulatory
> >> needs, but
> >> 	is ideally fully interchangeable with the Apache 2 license as defined at
> >> 	Caution-Caution-http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt <
> >> Caution-Caution-http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt > . We
> >> also want our license to be
> >> 	fully accepted by OSI (Caution-Caution-https://opensource.org/ <
> >> Caution-Caution-https://opensource.org/ > ) as a valid Open Source
> >> 	license.
> >>
> >> 	Unfortunately, we cannot directly use the Apache 2 license for all of our
> >> 	code.  Most of our researchers work for the US Federal Government
> >> and under US
> >> 	copyright law any works they produce during the course of their
> >> duties do not
> >> 	have copyright attached, so we have to rely on contract law as a protection
> >> 	mechanism within the USA.  We considered using NOSA 1.3
> >> 	(Caution-Caution-https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3 <
> >> Caution-Caution-https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3 > ), but
> >> apparently that it isn't
> >> 	interoperable with other Open Source licenses.  As I understand it,
> >> some work
> >> 	on the NOSA 2.0 license was done to improve interoperability, but
> >> that work is
> >> 	currently stalled.
> >>
> >> 	For that reason, we've tried to modify the Apache 2.0 license to fit our
> >> 	needs.  Our license, the ARL Open Source License (ARL OSL), is
> >> listed in full
> >> 	below and can be diffed with license text found at
> >> 	Caution-Caution-http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt <
> >> Caution-Caution-http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.txt >
> >> with relative ease; the text
> >> 	has also been attached to this email in case my mail client scrambles the
> >> 	formatting.
> >>
> >> 	So, my questions regarding the license are as follows:
> >>
> >> 	- Are there any conflicts in the terms of the ARL OSL and the Apache 2.0
> >> 	license?  If so, what are they, and what are the possible fixes for them?
> >> If
> >> 	not, could/would the license be listed as a 'category-a' license like the
> >> 	licenses found at
> >> Caution-Caution-http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
> >> < Caution- Caution-http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a >
?
> >>
> >> 	- If there are conflicts, are they directional?  That is, can code
> >> under the
> >> 	ARL OSL flow to projects under the Apache 2.0 license, but not vice-versa?
> >> If
> >> 	so, how do we fix our license?
> >>
> >> 	In my ideal world, where there is copyright protection, the ARL OSL
> >> would be
> >> 	legally identical to the Apache 2.0 license.  Where there is no copyright
> >> 	protection it would fall back on contract law, without preventing the
> >> 	copyrightable parts from using copyright protection.  I'm not sure
> >> if this is
> >> 	possible, but I'm hoping the smart people on this list will help me get as
> >> 	close to that ideal as possible.
> >>
> >> 	The summary of changes between the ARL OSL and Apache 2.0 license are as
> >> 	follows:
> >>
> >> 	1) Changed the name and version number.
> >>
> >> 	2) Changed the definition of 'Licensor' to use 'project originator'
> >> instead of
> >> 	'copyright owner'.
> >>
> >> 	3) Changed the definition of 'Work' to not use the word 'copyright'.
> >>
> >> 	4) Changed the definition of 'Contributor' to use 'author' instead of
> >> 	'copyright owner'.
> >>
> >> 	5) Removed the word 'copyright' from the Appendix's instructions.
> >>
> >> 	6) In the notice, removed the word 'Copyright'.
> >>
> >> 	7) In the notice, changed 'copyright owner' to Licensor.
> >>
> >> 	8) Scrambled the URL as we don't have one yet.
> >>
> >> 	Thank you,
> >> 	Cem Karan
> >>
> >> 	"""
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