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Decoding common usage was what I was doing here. See for instance the first parenthetical on the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_License On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:08 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > It's an optional module from an "entire product" perspective. But for the > module itself to work, it requires the category X dependency. > > It's that second part that makes it fuzzy to me. It an optional module, > but to work requires that module requires (non-optional) an cat X > dependency. > > I'm leaning toward we can't have this in our source tree. But am having > trouble with what the boundaries of "optional" are in this context. > > -Taylor > > > On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > > > > HI, > > > >> Just to be clear, that means no Apache source code can have a > dependency on Category X - licensed software? > > > > It can if it=E2=80=99s an optional feature [1], used during the build p= rocess > [2] or is a well know build tool [3]. But not if it's required > feature/dependancy. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > 1. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional > > 2. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#prohibited > > 3. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#build-tools > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > --001a1147bbbcdd87ac0535c062b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All well and good to say that there is= no Apache Software License, but common usage is to use ASL to refer to the= Apache License.

Decoding common usage was what I = was doing here.

See for instance the first parenth= etical on the Wikipedia page:=C2=A0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_License



On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:08 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz= @gmail.com> wrote:
It's= an optional module from an "entire product" perspective. But for= the module itself to work, it requires the category X dependency.

It's that second part that makes it fuzzy to me. It an optional module,= but to work requires that module requires (non-optional) an cat X dependen= cy.

I'm leaning toward we can't have this in our source tree. But am ha= ving trouble with what the boundaries of "optional" are in this c= ontext.

-Taylor

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> Just to be clear, that means no Apache source code can have a depe= ndency on Category X - licensed software?
>
> It can if it=E2=80=99s an optional feature [1], used during the build = process [2] or is a well know build tool [3].=C2=A0 But not if it's req= uired feature/dependancy.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html= #optional
> 2. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.htm= l#prohibited
> 3. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.ht= ml#build-tools
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