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From: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
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The advertising clause is subsumed by the AL2 NOTICE file when the =
copyright
owners are asked if the NOTICE file is sufficient advertising and they =
agree.
So far, everyone agreed, so we stopped asking a long time ago.

We don't distribute under the advertising clause. We distribute under =
AL2.

....Roy

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:14 PM, William A Rowe Jr =
<wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> All Advertising clauses are odious... that's why the OSS development =
world
>> went from copying them word for word to building new licensed that =
forgo
>> such a stupid requirement.
>>=20
>> Unlike copy left, for example, the combined work is still able to be =
applied
>> in any scenario the developer wishes, which is the ASF's definition =
of
>> freedom. We never suggested the user has the freedom from observing =
all
>> applicable license terms, our own included. So this is obviously (to =
most of
>> us here) not category X.
>=20
> The license categories are mainly about license subsumption[1].
>=20
> *   Category A licenses are those which may be subsumed by the Apache
>    License 2.0.
> *   In principle, Category B licenses are those which may be subsumed =
by the
>    Apache License 2.0 when only the object form is consumed.
>=20
> "Subsumed" here means:
>=20
> *   Anyone who complies with all requirements of the ALv2 also =
complies with
>    the requirements of license L.
> *   Everything permitted by the ALv2 is also permitted by license L.
>=20
> (For more on combining licenses see Luis Villa's 2011 article[2].)
>=20
> Restricting the licenses of dependencies to those which may be =
subsumed by the
> ALv2 allows the licensing of source releases and convenience binaries =
to be
> summarized as "Apache 2.0" -- even if the licensing is actually =
polyglot.
>=20
> Some of the licenses in "category B", e.g. Mozilla 2.0, have =
notification
> requirements such as pointing to source code.  These requirements are =
not in
> the ALv2, but if a pointer to source code is included in NOTICE, then
> satisfying the ALv2 by republishing NOTICE is enough to satisfy the
> category B license's notification requirements.
>=20
> But that is not true for the advertising clauses of BSD-4-clause or
> Apache 1.0.  And I am not the first person to raise this =
objection[3][4][5].
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> BSD-4-clause is not in category A nor is it in category B, and it =
should not
> be added to either category A or category B.
>=20
> Marvin Humphrey
>=20
> [1] https://s.apache.org/rguQ
> [2] =
https://opensource.com/law/11/9/mpl-20-copyleft-and-license-compatibility
> [3] Sam Ruby: https://s.apache.org/H0vL
> [4] Henri Yandell: https://s.apache.org/ysGm
> [5] Richard Fontana:  https://s.apache.org/pYKO
>=20
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