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From "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Amazon Software License compatibility
Date Wed, 22 Jun 2016 01:59:26 GMT
One final question:

Would it make sense to update /legal/resolved.html to include a stance on the Amazon Software

If so, is the correct process to file a LEGAL JIRA ticket?


> On Jun 21, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> IMO, you can include the ALv2 connector code in your release.  It is the customer who
bundles Kinesis that should make consumers of that bundle aware of what the licenses are within
> Good luck on your release,
> -Alex
> From: "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 12:07 PM
> To: <legal-discuss@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Amazon Software License compatibility
>> On Jun 21, 2016, at 2:36 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:20 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> In Apache Storm we have a number of components that users can use to do things
like read from Apache Kafka, write to Apache HBase, etc. I’ll call them “connectors.”
Connectors are optional and are not required to run Apache Storm.
>>> When users create an application to run on a Storm cluster, they bundle all their
dependencies, including any connectors they are using, into a single fat jar file and upload
it to the cluster to run.
>>> We have a contributor who has written a connector for Amazon Kinesis, and the
Kinesis client library required by that code is licensed with the Amazon Software License
>>> As I mentioned earlier, connectors are completely optional (optional facet #1).
To use the Kinesis spout, however, users must bundle the Kinesis client library in their application
jar file, so in this sense the Cat-X dependency is not optional (optional facet #2).
>>> The Kinesis connector would not require us to include any source code in our
repository that is licensed under the Amazon Software License. The Kinesis client library
is purely a dependency.
>>> I guess the question becomes, would we be able to license the Kinesis connector
code under the ALv2 given the terms of the Amazon Software License [1]?
>> You can license the Apache work under ALv2. Those licenses don't conflict.
>> You cannot "bundle" the Kinesis client library, thereby creating a "derivative work",
>> and simultaneously use this bundle on a non-AWS architecture, if this bundle
>> is considered a derivative work...
>> 3.3 Use Limitation. The Work and any derivative works thereof only may be used or
intended for use with the web services, computing platforms or applications provided by Amazon.com,
Inc. or its affiliates, including Amazon Web Services, Inc. 
>> I'm not a lawyer, so I can't comment whether the bundle is considered a
>> derivative work of its components, or whether the individual components
>> which go unused (based on the interpretation of "used or intended for use")
>> are simply part of a Compilation. If the 'bundle' used on both an AWS and
>> a non-AWS target will never "use or intended for use" on the non-AWS
>> target, the user may be in the clear.  This may be informative;
>>   http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf
>> The ASF won't create works with FOU restrictions (this was long-ago
>> settled back in the Sun Java days), and the 3.3 clause above for the
>> Amazon components is an FOU restriction. So we cannot ship this
>> component, although there should not be an issue with creating and
>> publishing an optional AL work from the ASF which does not include
>> the problematic license.
> I’m not a lawyer either, but this part of the Definitions section of the Amazon Software
License seems applicable in terms of derivative works:
> "The terms “reproduce,” “reproduction,” “derivative works,” and “distribution”
have the meaning as provided under U.S. copyright law; provided, however, that for the purposes
of this License, derivative works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely
link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work.”
> That seems to imply that linking to the Kinesis client library does not create a derivative
work in the context of the Amazon Software License. We also would not be bundling the Kinesis
client library, end users would have to download it themselves (usually automated by maven).
> It seems like all the bases are covered. Is it safe to assume we can proceed?
> -Taylor

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