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On A= ug 15, 2015, at 04:22, Richard Eckart de Castilho <rec@apache.org> wrote:

On 15.08.2015, at 04:59, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
<= /span>
On 8/11/15 4:22 PM, Ralph Goers wr= ote:
Larry, item 1 doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work.  I=E2=80=99ve see= n the same =E2=80=9Crational=E2=80=9D
reason posted probab= ly a dozen times.  It isn=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t want to=E2= =80=9D. It
is that we WANT to allow proprietary companies t= o be able to take our
software, modify it and then do whate= ver they want with it WITHOUT
restrictions.  You have= chosen to ignore this every time it has been
said.=

It's actually simpler than that. &= nbsp;This is not a democracy; it's a
corporation.  Licensing policy for Apache projects is s= et by VP, Legal,
who i= s appointed by the board.  Since it's clear Jim isn't planning to
change our licensing polic= y, many of these threads are moot in terms of
influencing ASF policies.

I've only recently joined the ASF as a member so I migh= t be missing something...

... but the leade= rs of the corporation don't own it by divine right, inheritance,
<= span>or else - they are elected.

It would b= e funny to say that any democratic state that deserves being called so
isn't a democracy just because not all decisions are resolved thr= ough citizen
votes ;)

Larry= and or others who want to make a change could well be able to influence
enough members to eventually vote for somebody else who would c= hange the policy.
Larry is pointing that out every once in a= while by remembering folks
of their votes.
=
Anyway, rallying the masses for a change in government does= n't appear to be
the strategy here - simply because the mas= ses are not on the legal-discuss list.

Chee= rs,

-- Richard

<= span>

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