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From Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What is ASF position on documentation plagiarism?
Date Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:04:37 GMT
Thank you. this is the clarification i was looking for. I understand the
position.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlieu.7@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The definition of  "plagiarism", in college definition of the word, is
> when
> > the author quotes(or should i say, cut-and-pastes) a lot of foreign
> content
> > without attribution, in this case required by A2. By placing his name on
> the
> > book, and nothing else added, he basically says "I wrote (created) this
> and
> > I have a copyright on this." As it is actually exactly stated on the
> > copyright page of the book. As it is mentioned in A2 FAQ, the user of A2
> > license cannot state "I created this". Much less claim exclusive content
> > copyright. In this sense, A2 would be violated won't it? Well let us
> call it
> > "omission".
> >
> > Nowhere there was a claim the content cannot be copied though, in fact,
> > wider dissemination of content should be and is our goal. As long as
> > reference to where content is taken from is given.
>
> While you might be technically correct (I actually would quibble as to
> what the definition is: it is not mere lack of attribution, it is
> actively passing off the work as your own), framing the discussion in
> such a manner is not helpful.
>
> The Apache License allows one to create a Derivative Work, and to
> license that work under different terms than the original work.  None
> of that affects the terms under which the original work is made
> available.
>
> The recommendation is that you don't focus on the copyright or
> plagiarism aspects, but merely on the license compliance aspects.  Our
> collective experience over a long period of time is that if you bring
> a license compliance issue to the right person's attention, and do so
> in a respectful manner, in the overwhelming majority of cases the
> issue will be resolved promptly and amicably.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> As mentioned on the 'Fwd: Apparent plagiarism from Mahout site' thread,
> >> unless specifically stated otherwise, doccos and content from the
> >> ASF sites are licensed under the ALv2. So as long as they are
> >> compliant w/ the terms and conditions of the license (basically,
> >> ack'ing Apache as the source of the content in this case), there
> >> is no problem.
> >>
> >> It is NOT, in any case, 'plagiarism'... it is license compliance.
> >>
> >> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:00 AM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlyubimov@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > our project has uncovered evidence that one of publishers has recently
> >> > published a book full of rampant plagiarism of our project manual.
> There is
> >> > a chapter where almost all examples are copied word for word from
> examples
> >> > in our manual. So are most comments to them. The book inherited even
> our
> >> > occasional style problems, so cut-and-paste action cannot be called
> into
> >> > question. All material is taken from ASF website.
> >> >
> >> > Aside from obvious ethical concerns, my understanding is Apache 2.0
> >> > license is ok with verbatim quoting as long as attribution is made. I
> assume
> >> > Apache 2.0 is also automatically applicable to all ASF web and
> documentation
> >> > content as well. I found no indication of such attribution (aside
> from the
> >> > fact that the book alleges to teach how to use our project).
> >> >
> >> > What's position of ASF in such cases?
> >> >
> >> > Feel free to contact us for further details if needed.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you.
> >> >
> >> > -Dmitriy
> >>
> >>
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