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<300DB301-A009-489B-ADFB-ED3919B1AFBD@pobox.com> To: legal-discuss@apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1433334341; bh=W/M8M6aglKbOl7+tgInAg2/jRFDx6KJWc8XlOWxEzgM=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=NAQSb08YH+TkQ92M4eGmKk9eAcpd6tkbwVev0pHfK9UtFkMRSDxS+GRZP141gD+VA vPF0a9BARCcQkLmUouv33vNqBOX49UFpZZDohtDYg5ap3EfdVJy5d/tT1JdRNPy9X0 DN08pWhohV3axVgBR/JczrKvC8zIaYKIgHFFCeF5fHrCanQGdbuNZp2wmHsaZzAX20 69ObV8Svn8aJjMoAoZWwQe5nkzAQp6zlHjZsTW7G7EJhDZrj42NFkxQG7vR1dV4fB8 iqVoiqKHJQILTrqNSoviGk9h5yEO9tcj1YoSFm6wrsMpsfqkY7RZtwlN8QQ2e0BmB4 +IhlQ505QI35w== > On Jun 3, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >=20 >=20 > My understanding of the AL is that we don't need to be explicit. If = the author of the code has patents that matter, they are providing a = license and they can't sue you. =20 >=20 Certainly the SGA and *CLA also provide additional "confirmation" of the above; If an author wishes to list the patents, then fine. We can, if we want, create a file which maintains the history and heritage of that list, in a file named TO-BE-DETERMINED. However, that file should have some sort of boilerplate at the top stating that the ALv2 (and whatever other agreements they have signed) maintains that the author has explicitly provided a patent license for any patent held by that author that might be infringed by said contribution and therefore the list may not be complete. For example, say that author has patent X, Y and Z yet is a very sneaky entity. Said author provides the code and enumerates that patent X and Y are granted. We do not want said author to then be able to sue for patent Z. The ALv2 prevents that. And should the case go to court, discovery will uncover their attempt to subvert the intent.= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org