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[174.116.242.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm13201939igh.9.2015.06.03.16.27.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_526F6122-BAE2-4679-9A55-523390B42E4D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2100\)) Subject: Re: Proposal: Disclosure of patents by Apache projects X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: =?utf-8?Q?Louis_Su=C3=A1rez-Potts?= In-Reply-To: <05c301d09e32$71023d70$5306b850$@rosenlaw.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 19:27:16 -0400 Message-Id: <53798D43-297D-43B4-8F49-B5D3EE90339E@gmail.com> References: <0ebc01d093f7$197e7ef0$4c7b7cd0$@rosenlaw.com> <0ffa01d09426$f7fb8b30$e7f2a190$@rosenlaw.com> <2085234F-FA5C-4637-90F0-35A700D677C3@oracle.com> <107401d0943d$15857c90$409075b0$@rosenlaw.com> <2cc201d09bca$9ad08400$d0718c00$@rosenlaw.com> <2d8001d09bef$f1f049d0$d5d0dd70$@rosenlaw.com> <019001d09d86$aee7f500$0cb7df00$@rosenlaw.com> <667 10DF6-A88A-44D 0-85C4-794E3C0E95AC@pobox.com> <05c301d09e32$71023d70$5306b850$@rosenlaw.com> To: "legal-discuss@apache.org" , lrosen@rosenlaw.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2100) --Apple-Mail=_526F6122-BAE2-4679-9A55-523390B42E4D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On 03 Jun 2015, at 15:21, Lawrence Rosen wrote: >=20 > A great question has been asked: > > Why should we need to enumerate patent contributions? >=20 > We own no patents and, as has repeatedly been pointed out, our ALv2 = license itself already includes a grant for use and aggregation. >=20 > There are at least three other good reasons for us to enumerate patent = contributions to ASF: >=20 > 1. A patent owner can obtain infringement damages only from the date = of such a notice. 35 USC 287(a). The patent owner probably wants to have = its patents enumerated to protect its own financial interests in that = patent. >=20 > 2. While certain patent claims have been licensed to ASF under a FOSS = license and then to the worldother claims in those patents or = (non-derivative) independent implementations that aren't FOSS-licensed. = Take notice. >=20 > 3. This notice is ASF's defense to willful blindness or willful = infringement in an inducing patent infringement case. It asserts that we = know of the patent and either (1) have a FOSS license to it, or (2) in = our early but serious view we don't believe we infringe. >=20 Larry, Perhaps I missed something. Has there been a case or similar occasion = that would cause us (ASF, that is) to assert more plainly than is now = done patent contributions? louis --Apple-Mail=_526F6122-BAE2-4679-9A55-523390B42E4D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.27 Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVb41VAAoJEMbyrHkPMeDItLsIAK7vDROj5ccOiBXnlXwdPjTK 19saQ+h18gyBoV83bR34x0iLjckdMBn+y09VsLEAzlpCtXPU5pqJXzIGHJcByQv1 GNJ8+cA3wayPyt7Wv/jkXSmX5od3BAiX2JnJLoQbHWv5TC9xUCUhSShsL39fWW/T QF0p34dzFHjsJnhZBmctjmDYlUVob4LabDFDMimQHcjOkE/y5lFVkeqLg9dJoP+m jT1MD60ZekPSbi6AXhumei4wB4xvJVpB1BGGQI3+qfjFn5XnsJorAdqvDpVdj3fC S3xoj2nrdCvAVj1eDKxMszK0Viu2fty6zXoc58bQ9uX4X2Z503z3jc3OyKg80w4= =hc3W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_526F6122-BAE2-4679-9A55-523390B42E4D--